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Foreword
I'm mainly making this thread because the same-sex marriage thread on the forum I frequent is getting boring to be honest, with all but a couple posters advocating same-sex marriage. I didn't see a thread on this on the last 5 pages or so (and couldn't help but notice the spam of religious threads. Honestly, you guys can't keep the stupid religious arguments to just one or two threads?), so I decided to make a new thread rather than bump an older one. I'm looking forward to see how the AG community views the issue of same-sex marriage, especially since this forum seems to be filled with more, uh, "immature" users than what I'm used to dealing with. And as you can tell by my lack of posts, I'm new to the AG forums, so if I commit some faux pas here, be sure to point it out to me. Until then, I'm just going to assume that the forums here operate like most others I frequent.
Background
The LGBT (which stands for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender for any who doesn't know and is too lazy to use google) community has long had troubles with gaining acceptance within most religious communities, especially Christianity, which generally dominates many facets of society here in America, including the concept of "marriage". Social Liberals on this issue believe that (legal, not religious) marriage should be available to all couples, same-sex or heterosexual, and it goes against the constitution to deny same-sex couples this right. Meanwhile, social conservatives argue that the LGBT community are "deviants" who do not deserve "special" rights, such as the ability to have same-sex marriages recognized by the state. They sometimes say that the LGBT community are pushing their "agenda" on society, especially youth, and laws need to be passed that prevents them from achieving equa-*cough*, sorry, special rights.
Up until the last decade, there had been little progress as far as achieving same-sex marriages go, and all of the efforts to raise awareness seemed to just cause states to specifically ban same-sex marriage in their constitutions. But, recently there has been relatively huge steps toward equality in marriage, with several states starting to hand out marriage licenses to same-sex couples and many more allowing "civil unions" (basically the same-sex marriage equivalent to the separate but equal doctrine). But still, married same-sex couples are denied many benefits that other married couples enjoy due to the "Defense of Marriage Act" passed by Congress in 1996. The Defense of Marriage Act also allows states to not recognize same-sex marriages done in other states.
Questions
(brotip: the "why" parts are just as important as the question itself. Just posting your side of the issue without giving any arguments is practically useless)
1. Do you believe same-sex couples should be allowed to marry? Why or why not?
2. Do you believe Christianity should influence our country's laws when regarding same-sex marriage? Why or why not?
3. Should the federal government repeal the Defense of Marriage Act? Why or why not?
4. Should the federal government enact a law that forces the legality of same-sex marriages? Why or why not?
5. Do you believe allowing same-sex couples to marry will somehow endanger society in some way? Why or why not?
That seems to be enough to get this topic rolling. Looking forward to your replies.
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Yes, you can choose to be gay or straight.
No, you can't.
It's not genetic.
It could very well be, just not in the way you are thinking.
Thats BS.
No, its not.
but mass murderers don't have a killing gene. They chose to kill, just like gay people chose to be gay. It's all mental.
The key word is bolded. Both are most likely something in the brain, but the brain develops based on genes.
Yes, you can choose to be gay or straight.
No, you can't.
Well, technically, I suppose you "could" choose to be that way, but you wouldn't truly feel it..
Look at it this way. When did you make the concious decision to be straight? I'm guessing never. You always have been attracted to the other gender (For as long as you've felt an attraction to anyone that is) If you've ever felt a sexual attraction to a guy, you're either gay or bi-sexual.
Yes, you can choose to be gay or straight. It's not genetic. Thats BS. There is no gene that defines whether you are gay or straight. I know i might get heat for this, but mass murderers don't have a killing gene. They chose to kill, just like gay people chose to be gay. It's all mental. If you want to be, you are. I just noticed how short all my sentences are. lol
I don't think it really works that way. Can you choose to be gay. Like, right now? Just start liking boys, ask a few out, have a boyfriend, and like it all? It's like how I like girls, its just a natural reaction. I never choose to have a crush on a girl. I never thought, hmmm well everyone else I know likes girls, so I think I'll start liking them too. It was more like, 0_0 Woah... did she always look like that? I didn't really choose, and I don't think gays do either.
0_0 Woah... did she always look like that?
That just made me ROFL
but mass murderers don't have a killing gene
That is comparing apples to oranges. Someone isn't "bred" to kill, they either do it out of a lack of compassion, hatred, or just plane rage. You are not born with a gene that will make you a killer.
This debate has gone off it's original topic...
Your right, to get this back on topic it doesn't matter if it's a choice or not. Either way it's something that only effect those who are.
Let's just say for a moment that it is a choice.
It's a choice these people should be allowed to make as individuals. Saying they can't get married to those they 'chose' to love would (in such a case) be like saying you can't by fruit because you chose to eat meat instead of being vegan.
Yes, you can choose to be gay or straight. It's not genetic. Thats BS. There is no gene that defines whether you are gay or straight. I know i might get heat for this, but mass murderers don't have a killing gene. They chose to kill, just like gay people chose to be gay. It's all mental. If you want to be, you are. I just noticed how short all my sentences are. lol
everything above is true. besides, i doubt someone would choose to have to go through the things most people go through. also, deciding to date the same gender and do it with them is not deciding to be gay. you could do it with a sheep, still it doesnt mean that your a..... sheeplover. you dont choose your likes and dislikes. you cant just one day decide you like apples. if we could life would be so much easier.
i have no idea if its a gene or not but hey... it does make sense to me since its part of what someone is.
i have no idea if its a gene or not but hey... it does make sense to me since its part of what someone is.
It's not one gene, we can pretty safely state that. But genetics do have an influence, with several parameters that influence your sexuality, but maybe not exclusively. You can choose how you act, but you can't choose to whom you're attracted.
It's a choice these people should be allowed to make as individuals. Saying they can't get married to those they 'chose' to love would (in such a case) be like saying you can't by fruit because you chose to eat meat instead of being vegan.
I agree with that, be it a choice or not, it should be legal anyway. After all, there are so many things that people can legally do that can potentially gross many people out, why should sexuality be treated differently in this aspect?
It's not one gene, we can pretty safely state that. But genetics do have an influence, with several parameters that influence your sexuality, but maybe not exclusively. You can choose how you act, but you can't choose to whom you're attracted.
well i did know that. it would be much simple to understand and to follow that gene if it was just one. im pretty sure its more complicated. maybe like the O bloodtype... you need 2 i's for it to happen but if you have only 1 it will be different. probably with many more different things then just those though
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