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Drace
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I'm for socialism =)

Capitalism sucks

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Impact
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Quick question, how involved in the government would the general public be under socialism? How involved would they be under communism? How involved should they be according to capitalism ideology alone? And how involved are people in all reality under capitalism?

ComradeGamer
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Quick question, how involved in the government would the general public be under socialism? How involved would they be under communism? How involved should they be according to capitalism ideology alone? And how involved are people in all reality under capitalism?

I take the road less traveled of course.
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My points against socialism are many.

First off, no matter how "democratic" you pretend to be, when you most need your voice and your rights, big government will do whatever it pleases.

Socialism is very weak against corruption. If the government becomes corrupt there is nothing the common people can do to stop it. The best forms of government are the ones that can be run tolerably by corrupt leaders.

You will always produce less in socialism. Workers will work just enough not to be fired. Sorry guys, few people are going to break their backs to &quotrogress society". It's so much easier for them to let everyone else take care of them. People work much better if their welfare is at stake

The economics do not work out. This is clearly shown by history. Just look at us, since the federal reserve was introduced, our currency has devalued over 90 percent.

goumas13
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First off, no matter how "democratic" you pretend to be, when you most need your voice and your rights, big government will do whatever it pleases.

In every modern system this will happen. Unfortunately we cannot have a democracy like the one the ancient Athenians had.
Socialism is very weak against corruption. If the government becomes corrupt there is nothing the common people can do to stop it.

The US were very corrupt during the sixties and the US were far form a communist country.
Workers will work just enough not to be fired.

it's human nature, we try to do the best we can with the less possible effort.
Asdlkf
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If the government has little power, this cannot happen



Ah, but they were also far from a capitalist country. That was more big government at work.



But, if people can see a reward for working hard that outweighs their current position, they will work hard.
Asdlkf
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Sorry, something went wrong with that.

But if there is little government, they cannot seize such power. That is also what happened in the 60's, big government took its toll.

And if we can see benefits to working hard, we will.

goumas13
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if people can see a reward for working hard that outweighs their current position, they will work hard.

The only reward the capitalistic system gives is not firing you. They say if you don't work well, you lose your job. It's like blackmailing somebody.
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it's human nature, we try to do the best we can with the less possible effort.


Those who work in capitalism progress, while those who don't don't.

In socialism, it doesn't matter how hard you work, you will always be the same.
Asdlkf
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If you work hard, you can get promoted, get a raise, or you van go off on your own and innovate. It's not blackmail, it's called personal responsibility

goumas13
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Those who work in capitalism progress, while those who don't don't.

A group only progresses the rest does not.
In socialism, it doesn't matter how hard you work, you will always be the same.

It matters, if the individuals work harder all the society gains.
Asdlkf
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But the individual won't work harder just for the society. It doesn't happen. The only way society can progress the way you want it to is for people to take personal responsibility.

goumas13
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If you work hard, you can get promoted, get a raise, or you can go off on your own and innovate.

The average Joe will be promote when he is about 50 years old and the raise he will get usually will be not more than 500$. But at such age you may have children and a wife and this money are not enough to have a good quality of life.
personal responsibility

You reminded me this song Archive - Bullets.
TSL3_needed
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Except for the fact that they taste different, of course.


So your saying I should progress at the same rate as everyone else?

Say I work 70 hour weeks, and have an extremely difficult job.

My coworker sits in an office all day, plays WoW and only works 30 hour weeks.

BUT, he has worked here for 5 years, I have worked for 3. I have worked far more hours in my time there, but still have to submit to him, and HE gets that promotion, that raise, or whatever.

You call that fair?
TSL3_needed
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Quote fail.

A group only progresses the rest does not.


So your saying I should progress at the same rate as everyone else?

Say I work 70 hour weeks, and have an extremely difficult job.

My coworker sits in an office all day, plays WoW and only works 30 hour weeks.

BUT, he has worked here for 5 years, I have worked for 3. I have worked far more hours in my time there, but still have to submit to him, and HE gets that promotion, that raise, or whatever.

You call that fair?
Ernie15
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Except for the fact that they taste different, of course.


Yes, that is the main difference between Socialism and Capitalism. xD
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