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thepyro222
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Juat thought I'd revive this topic. What does the AG universe think?

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EmperorPalpatine
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@EnterOrion
But what if you are an innocent person convicted and sent to die?

EnterOrion
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But what if you are an innocent person convicted and sent to die?


Suck it up.

I would be dead soon enough anyways, not like my opinion would particularly matter much.
314d1
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Sure it's great! The government should kill people that killed people...wait! That means we have to kill the government for killing the people that killed people. And then we have to kill the people who killed the government who killed the people that killed people. And then we have to....


So by this logic, we are not aloud to imprison people for holding people against their will? "So you kidnaped someone? Ok. We are better than you. So we are not going to do the horrible thing that you have done by holding someone against your will, so we will lightly slap you wish a fish and send you on your way."?
Zydrate
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Yes. Mostly towards some of the more serious offenses. For example, I am highly against sexual offense. Frankly, I don't give a **** about their rights anymore.

Armed_Blade
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Suck it up.

I would be dead soon enough anyways, not like my opinion would particularly matter much.


Your sounding like a person that doesn't really value their life, no offense.
I think prisons are just the wrong way to go about stuff.
If someone does something bad enough to put them in jail for like, 20 years, then instead of putting them in jail forever, just take all of their money and crap, put them on debt, and make them civil/community work as a job. Like seriously, the US has people rotting in Jails.
Armed_Blade
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Whoa, Great idea.

We use the jailed people in southern states.
To build.
The Great US-Mexico border wall!
Or we kill them if they refuse.

314d1
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If someone does something bad enough to put them in jail for like, 20 years, then instead of putting them in jail forever, just take all of their money and crap, put them on debt, and make them civil/community work as a job. Like seriously, the US has people rotting in Jails.


So giving them a lighter punishment and then setting up the perfect circumstance for them to commit another crime? So who usually commits crimes? The poor and desperate commit crimes more often, from what I have heard. So you want to make people who have already killed kill again?
Xzeno
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We use the jailed people in southern states.
To build.
The Great US-Mexico border wall!
You don't see any possible issues with giving the government an economic incentive to convict people?

I don't support the death penalty. It is not justice, it is revenge. No one deserves to suffer.
Armed_Blade
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You don't see any possible issues with giving the government an economic incentive to convict people?


Not entirely, they still have to buy the dirt and whatnot.

I don't support the death penalty. It is not justice, it is revenge. No one deserves to suffer.


Even in the most extreme of cases? Serial Killers, or even 'ossible' espionage traitors to the US, such as the Rosenburg trial. [Gave Nuke Secrets and stuff to USSR]?
Also, if you don't support it, what do you support? I mean, Jails just lead to economic drain and they turn the possible productivity of someone's life into nada. Or do you support something else?
Armed_Blade
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So giving them a lighter punishment and then setting up the perfect circumstance for them to commit another crime? So who usually commits crimes? The poor and desperate commit crimes more often, from what I have heard. So you want to make people who have already killed kill again?


No I figured the punishment wouldn't be as light. I don't really know what else to do but the long-term jailing people get stuck into for committing crimes is so costly. I just think it would be better if there were a way to make them do a job while they were at it.

I mean, if a poor person kills, he's likely killing to get someone's stuff, he's not ragequitting or anything. I'm just guessing there isn't much to steal on the mexican american border while building a giant wall.
Zydrate
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No one deserves to suffer.


So, the rapist gets a room to stay in, unphased, while the victim(s) remain traumatized for decades.
Yes, some people deserve to suffer.
Armed_Blade
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So, the rapist gets a room to stay in, unphased, while the victim(s) remain traumatized for decades.
Yes, some people deserve to suffer.


I know you were just giving an example but there actually is no death penalty for ****.
Zydrate
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Should be.

314d1
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No I figured the punishment wouldn't be as light. I don't really know what else to do but the long-term jailing people get stuck into for committing crimes is so costly. I just think it would be better if there were a way to make them do a job while they were at it.

I mean, if a poor person kills, he's likely killing to get someone's stuff, he's not ragequitting or anything. I'm just guessing there isn't much to steal on the mexican american border while building a giant wall.


Why not just do something like the work camps? I mean we don't really need a wall, why not make them dig up rocks like they used to do? Just letting them out after twenty years and forcing them to commit crimes again isn't much of a punishment.

Or maybe something we need in modern times, oil, copper, lumber, or whatever else we can find for them to pull out. And don't give them power tools, hand tools only. That way we can start making some money off of them... Might be looked down upon, but it will be lest costly then killing them or keeping them for life.
Xzeno
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So, the rapist gets a room to stay in, unphased, while the victim(s) remain traumatized for decades.
Correct. How would punishing the rapist help anyone? Killing someone won't change what happened.
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