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Forums → WEPR → Burning of the American Flag(or country flag)/freedom of speech
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I saw yet another video of a group of protestors burning the American flag. The disgust me! Please tell me someone else out here agrees that it is wrong and should be illegal.
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Although it makes me angry that people would choose to burn a flag that does not stand for any party in particular, I think that it would be directly violating the rights that we have worked so hard to have. If you imprison someone for burning a flag, this is no longer the land of the free, this is a place where an oppressive government is allowed. We live in a country where it's ok to disagree with the government, if we were to imprison someone on the basis of burning a flag, then next we will imprison people for speaking ill of the president. It's just not right. Couple that with the fact that anyone who is imprisoned for flag burning will get a load of publicity and you're just setting yourself up for hundreds of protests and rallies!
It is the Soldier, not the minister
Who has given us oppression using religion.
It is the Soldier, not the reporter
Who has given us silence of the press.
It is the Soldier, not the poet
Who has suppressed freedom of speech.
It is the Soldier, not the campus organizer
Who has quelled the protest.
It is the Soldier, not the lawyer
Who has made sure the lawyer is protected to stop a fair trial.
It is the Soldier, not the politician
Who has enforced a rigged vote.
It is the Soldier who salutes the flag over protecting people
Who serves beneath the flag, a paid killer who is lead to believe what he is doing is right!
And whose coffin is d***** by the flag, someone's son or daughter
Who allows the protester to burn the flag?
Certainly not a soldier.
Haha, oh you and your liberalism.
It is the soldier who gives you freedom, not in todays wars maybe, by giving their life. I don't care if you support the current American wars abroad or any war in general, the soldier is not to blame.
Oh and go ahead and burn the flag, but if you want a symbolic gesture try washing it.
Burning flags is as much a freedom of speech as a painting of vomiting corpses masturbating on a dissected baby lamb is an art. So many things today are made to invoke shock in the general public, since it's the easiest reaction to get. Don't give them the satisfaction, and it will become meaningless.
And related to the subject, there's currently a lot of controversy about a pastor in America who announced he's going to burn a copy of Kuran. If you're going to outlaw burning of flags, this must be outlawed too. While we're at it, let's make illegal to burn anything that symbolizes a large social group! That way we make sure not to make anyone angry. Sure thing! <can you feel the sarcasam? just checking>
Oh and go ahead and burn the flag, but if you want a symbolic gesture try washing it.
Wow, that was actually pretty good. Someone should totally do that. Unfortunately, it probably wouldn't get noticed. Too peaceful, not enough controversial to keep up with the general public's short attention span.
Haha, oh you and your liberalism.
It is the soldier who gives you freedom, not in todays wars maybe, by giving their life. I don't care if you support the current American wars abroad or any war in general, the soldier is not to blame.
Oh and go ahead and burn the flag, but if you want a symbolic gesture try washing it.
true I am quite liberal in some ways, its just that I can stand someone painting these guys as "heros" who gave us everything. Soldiers are one half of the pie. There are the people pulling the strings who do sometimes try diplomacy and sometimes it works.
I understand the need for soldiers as well, but what I say stands true, for good or ill, soldiers are paid killers, not patriots. The real patriots are the Mujahideen who fight unpaid. They are nutters who are no better of course, but they are actually patriotic.
Oh and I dont "blame" soldiers as such but they made a choice, we all do. I make a choice not to go out there OR stand in their way, I understand my part in this cog we call civilization, as much as I dont like thinking of myself that way. Im as expendible as any soldier.
We should all wash our flags with bleach.
Even though it is disgusting and how wrong it is, it is legal. Just like burning a koran, or a bible, or a torah, all legal but in my opinion, morally wrong. There is nothing we can do about it because there is no law against it and because of freedom of speech.
but in my opinion, morally wrong.
Of course its morally wrong but there is a reason some people feel driven to burn a flag, join the army, become a martyr etc..
I think burning a flag is more of a peaceful protest than being paid to kill or blowing yourself and other innocent people up.
its just that I can stand someone painting these guys as "heros" who gave us everything. Soldiers are one half of the pie. There are the people pulling the strings who do sometimes try diplomacy and sometimes it works
I'm guessing you meant can't?
Anyway I agree not all soldiers are heroes and not all heroes are soldiers but I feel like a certain amount of respect is due to them.
I understand the need for soldiers as well, but what I say stands true, for good or ill, soldiers are paid killers, not patriots. The real patriots are the Mujahideen who fight unpaid. They are nutters who are no better of course, but they are actually patriotic.
Well, again, not all soldiers are patriots and not all patriots are soldiers (it's working well today). Paid killers is a bit harsh, the military is working towards some humanitarian goals, but I see what you're saying and generally agree.
Oh and I dont "blame" soldiers as such but they made a choice, we all do. I make a choice not to go out there OR stand in their way, I understand my part in this cog we call civilization, as much as I dont like thinking of myself that way. Im as expendible as any soldier.
I agree.
We should all wash our flags with bleach.
If you ever see a protester doing that; well you might find out what I look like =P
the military is working towards some humanitarian goals
The US military actively recruits convicted criminals. I personally find hard to believe that convicted drug dealers, rapists, fraudsters and pedophiles can "work towards some humanitarian goals".
The use of convicts in hostile territory is both amoral and illegal. The US army is fully awere of what is in all likelihood to happen to the local civilian population at the mercy of these persons.
Now some interesting statistics:
The felons accepted into the army and marines included 87 soldiers convicted of assault or maiming, 130 convicted of non-cannabis-related drug offences, seven convicted of making terrorist threats, and two convicted of indecent behaviour with a child. Waivers were also granted to 500 burglars and thieves, 19 arsonists and nine sex offenders.
The US military actively recruits convicted criminals.
There are nearly 1.5 million active duty personnel in the armed forces, multiply your number by the amount of services and there were approximately 2,000 criminals added this year. To put it in better prospective 0.001% of the US armed forces is made up of new criminal recruits. This vast minority doesn't account for what the military is doing as a while.
Humanitarian efforts
There are nearly 1.5 million active duty personnel in the armed forces, multiply your number by the amount of services and there were approximately 2,000 criminals added this year. To put it in better prospective 0.001% of the US armed forces is made up of new criminal recruits. This vast minority doesn't account for what the military is doing as a while.
True, true. Well, burning the American Flag is the freedom of speech.
Well, since "the people" wants freedom speech as their not getting it, they burning the flag for a reason.
Well, burning the American Flag is the freedom of speech.
As long as it doesn't physically hurt someone
As long as it doesn't physically hurt someone
Yes wrapping someone in the flag and then burning it would be bad.
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