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FutureUSMC
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I saw yet another video of a group of protestors burning the American flag. The disgust me! Please tell me someone else out here agrees that it is wrong and should be illegal.

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AnaLoGMunKy
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Haha, oh you and your liberalism.

It is the soldier who gives you freedom, not in todays wars maybe, by giving their life. I don't care if you support the current American wars abroad or any war in general, the soldier is not to blame.

Oh and go ahead and burn the flag, but if you want a symbolic gesture try washing it.


true I am quite liberal in some ways, its just that I can stand someone painting these guys as "heros" who gave us everything. Soldiers are one half of the pie. There are the people pulling the strings who do sometimes try diplomacy and sometimes it works.

I understand the need for soldiers as well, but what I say stands true, for good or ill, soldiers are paid killers, not patriots. The real patriots are the Mujahideen who fight unpaid. They are nutters who are no better of course, but they are actually patriotic.

Oh and I dont "blame" soldiers as such but they made a choice, we all do. I make a choice not to go out there OR stand in their way, I understand my part in this cog we call civilization, as much as I dont like thinking of myself that way. Im as expendible as any soldier.

We should all wash our flags with bleach.
mdv96
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Even though it is disgusting and how wrong it is, it is legal. Just like burning a koran, or a bible, or a torah, all legal but in my opinion, morally wrong. There is nothing we can do about it because there is no law against it and because of freedom of speech.

AnaLoGMunKy
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but in my opinion, morally wrong.


Of course its morally wrong but there is a reason some people feel driven to burn a flag, join the army, become a martyr etc..

I think burning a flag is more of a peaceful protest than being paid to kill or blowing yourself and other innocent people up.
samy
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its just that I can stand someone painting these guys as "heros" who gave us everything. Soldiers are one half of the pie. There are the people pulling the strings who do sometimes try diplomacy and sometimes it works


I'm guessing you meant can't?

Anyway I agree not all soldiers are heroes and not all heroes are soldiers but I feel like a certain amount of respect is due to them.

I understand the need for soldiers as well, but what I say stands true, for good or ill, soldiers are paid killers, not patriots. The real patriots are the Mujahideen who fight unpaid. They are nutters who are no better of course, but they are actually patriotic.


Well, again, not all soldiers are patriots and not all patriots are soldiers (it's working well today). Paid killers is a bit harsh, the military is working towards some humanitarian goals, but I see what you're saying and generally agree.

Oh and I dont "blame" soldiers as such but they made a choice, we all do. I make a choice not to go out there OR stand in their way, I understand my part in this cog we call civilization, as much as I dont like thinking of myself that way. Im as expendible as any soldier.


I agree.

We should all wash our flags with bleach.


If you ever see a protester doing that; well you might find out what I look like =P
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the military is working towards some humanitarian goals

The US military actively recruits convicted criminals. I personally find hard to believe that convicted drug dealers, rapists, fraudsters and pedophiles can "work towards some humanitarian goals".
The use of convicts in hostile territory is both amoral and illegal. The US army is fully awere of what is in all likelihood to happen to the local civilian population at the mercy of these persons.

Now some interesting statistics:
The felons accepted into the army and marines included 87 soldiers convicted of assault or maiming, 130 convicted of non-cannabis-related drug offences, seven convicted of making terrorist threats, and two convicted of indecent behaviour with a child. Waivers were also granted to 500 burglars and thieves, 19 arsonists and nine sex offenders.
samy
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The US military actively recruits convicted criminals.


There are nearly 1.5 million active duty personnel in the armed forces, multiply your number by the amount of services and there were approximately 2,000 criminals added this year. To put it in better prospective 0.001% of the US armed forces is made up of new criminal recruits. This vast minority doesn't account for what the military is doing as a while.

Humanitarian efforts
DoctorHouseNCIS
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I am confused of how this relates to freedom of speech.....

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There are nearly 1.5 million active duty personnel in the armed forces, multiply your number by the amount of services and there were approximately 2,000 criminals added this year. To put it in better prospective 0.001% of the US armed forces is made up of new criminal recruits. This vast minority doesn't account for what the military is doing as a while.


True, true. Well, burning the American Flag is the freedom of speech.
Well, since "the people" wants freedom speech as their not getting it, they burning the flag for a reason.
DoctorHouseNCIS
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Well, burning the American Flag is the freedom of speech.


As long as it doesn't physically hurt someone
samy
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As long as it doesn't physically hurt someone


Yes wrapping someone in the flag and then burning it would be bad.
ZeroComp
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Its just plain disrespectful to our nation so its not correct in any manner

Avorne
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That's no reason at all to say it's not correct.

ZeroComp
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Why would you want to burn the American Flag?

Avorne
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Because of all of the disgraceful things America has done over the years? As a sign of rebellion against the perceived oppression that the American government causes?

There are really lots of reasons when you take off the rose-tinted spectacles.

ZeroComp
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I guess I can see your point when you say that

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