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Crazy_Chris_84
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In these troubling times we see in the news that more and more people are losing their jobs. Hence, we see a rise in criminal activity. There was a news article that just recently caught my attention in the Wall Street Journal, âBusinesses Say Theft by Their Workers Is Up.â Here is the link to the article if you wish to see it, just copy and paste it in your search bar:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122896381748896999.html

The article is not the main topic, but it serves as more of a reference to this discussion.

Is stealing for survival good or is it still considered as plain stealing no matter what the motive?

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StepOnABaby
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..............................that was sickening Alien......

ABarOfSoap
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There are hobos on Uranus, AlienGirl?

Crazy_Chris_84
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You could still do labour if you're not educated instead of stealing.
There are lots of jobs. Unless you're handicapped or something.


That is assuming that there is ALWAYS jobs to be had. This instance has a falicy in itself. Jobs are not always available at times per certain individuals.

Example: The current U.S. economy, has fewer jobs than ever. Some of them, if not most or all etc., require you to be qualified. If you are not, then you have no place of work. For the ones that do not require qualification via pre-experience, then training will be provided; however, these jobs go like hot cakes.

1. If a person has a place to work, then they would not need to steal food for survival.

2. Someone needed to steal food for survival.

Therefore, that person didn't have a place to work.

Drink
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i do whatever it takes to survive

XXAlienGirlXX
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There are hobos on Uranus, AlienGirl?


Of course there are, what do you expect? we live in some perfect society? :P
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Good and Bad is technically just morality that is determined by the said persons. So technically there is no such thing. Possibly society might find it "bad" in general but on a case by case basis you would find people that don't conform to social groups and believe in their own universal truths.

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Good and Bad is technically just morality that is determined by the said persons. So technically there is no such thing. Possibly society might find it "bad" in general but on a case by case basis you would find people that don't conform to social groups and believe in their own universal truths.


Very good point Darkroot.
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The current U.S. economy, has fewer jobs than ever


when we have no jobs people can complain, the fact that there are jobs, means someone isn't working that can. i mean, drinking on a street corner is a choice, not an ailment. when i first left home, i kinda ran away, and ended up in pontiac illinois. i worked at a gas station there, but its all self serve, so i ended up cleaning all day long. it sucked but not sleeping on the street was a good enough reason to do just about any kind of work.
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If the supply is greater than the demand then the excess can be stolen I guess =P

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Well, I am only 14, and I haven't even had my first job yet, so I don't think that my opinion will be as valuable as those who have gone through it, but you can't go wrong on the internet!

[quote]I doubt many of them have no other options.


A popular saying (and a controversial one) is that the rich are the worser theives.[/quote]

Yes, tons and tons of controversy.

Here's my little rhetorical question:

Lets say Person A worked hard for a living, and was born in a developed country, say, the U.S. or Canada. He was able to get an education here, and as a result of studying hard hours in University, became a Medical Doctor. He later leads a successful and respected life while making six figures with his wonderful family.

Now lets say that Person B worked hard for a living, and was born in a different country, say, India, and decided to try and find a job in the U.S. or Canada where he believes he will get a better life. He went to University in India and is a Medical Doctor as well, but he is also an immigrant, meaning his chances of finding a job are lowered as U.S./Canadian customs goes down harder on immigrants. He then does not find one, ends up with a less glamorous job as a taxi driver, and struggles in this new country which he has trouble living in due to his cultural difference and lack of income.

Which one is the bad person?

I'm not exactly expecting a definite answer.

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Good and Bad is technically just morality that is determined by the said persons. So technically there is no such thing. Possibly society might find it "bad" in general but on a case by case basis you would find people that don't conform to social groups and believe in their own universal truths.


Yep, technically it depends on the state laws and mainly your morals to define if something is bad or good. I've never heard of a country that legalizes theft, but... lol

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Stealing is bad irrespective of it being for survival or not. If you're down and out, have lost your job and have no means for taking care of your family you can always ask for help from the government or a family member. How can your conscience allow you to steal from a hard-working guy to provide for your family even if you're in dire need of it? It's a lowly act of desperation. It's like saying, I'm in need of money, I'm going hungry and have no means to survive so I'm going to rob a guy who does work hard to make ends meet. Everyone needs to work to survive, we just need to stop looking for short-cuts to get there.


You could still do labour if you're not educated instead of stealing.
There are lots of jobs. Unless you're handicapped or something.


Have you ever seen Mickey Mouse goes to Haiti?

It shows how Disney is getting people, mainly women and children, in Haiti to work for pennies a day making t-shirts, Mickey Mouse gloves, and other Disney products inside sweatshops. Up until August 2009 when the Government of Haiti raised the minimum wage, each person working in the sweatshops received less than 0.5% of the revenue from each product sold.

Of course it makes sense that they could have found jobs better than this, but some just don't have a choice, and what about that neat little earthquake which shook them up months ago?
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Is it right? Absolutely no, it's still stealing.
If people don't have money to buy food, they should go to food pantries. Again, that may be hard too as there is alot of competition. What I would do is pray.

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What I would do is pray.

Roflmfaoxyz.

Anyway, I think that stealing is wrong. However, as long as you are going to starve to death without stealing, and you only steal from the rich, fine.
However, there's such a thing as unemployment checks and food stamps in America; if you're not an addict or something, you should be able to survive off that. Any more is being greedy, if you want more then get a job.
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...if you want more then get a job.

The national average of the unemployed in America is over 10%, so there's a lot of competition, and if people are poor, they can't go to college and therefore have a hard time finding decent jobs (even plumbers are checked for their grades in High school now)
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Which one is the bad person?


Neither are bad... if he is a legal immigrant, and has a visa to live and work in the country he has chosen to migrate to, he should have no problems getting into the medical industry, so I don't see how he would be turned down with all the necessary education AND a visa to live and work. In fact here in the UK I see more Indian doctors than actual British doctors.

you only steal from the rich, fine.


What makes stealing from the rich more acceptable?
And If you steal to survive I doubt you'll knock on someone's door and survey them about their regular income and current bank balance, weigh the pros and cons and then decide to steal afterwards, you just take what you need to live.

What I would do is pray.


I lol'd.
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What I would do is pray.


As that works so well for those starving Africans...
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