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MrMonkey3
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On the news, in washington it is illegal to own a gun. I think they should be allowed I mean Murderers are going to be able to get them anyway they're always black markets for them but what about the citizens who can't pro tect them selves???


What do you think???

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Xervicx
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If we didn't have guns, how would we shoot people?


If we didn't have guns, we would find a way to kill. People kill, guns only offer us a new way to do it.

It is a shame people don't think about things really... We have guns so that we can protect ourselves from a bad government situation. Not only that, but if you take guns away by law, only the dishonest and the criminal will have them. So congratulations, you will then have all of the people who are using guns in ill ways causing even more trouble, because their windows of opportunity are so much more open. Not to mention the fact that the good citizens won't be able to protect themselves from those criminals.
FloydTC
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Buddy, people can still kill each other with out guns.


he said shoot not kill. read more closely.
Dubness2
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he said shoot not kill. read more closely.

I'm sure he meant killing with a gun. Hence we were talking about murdering with guns. Read more closely.
Xervicx
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he said shoot not kill. read more closely.


I think the point the point was that people try to use the whole "guns can kill" factor as a reason why there should be stricter laws. Someone who says that people don't need guns to kill each other are simply stating that taking guns away will not, ever, in a million years, stop people from killing each other.
Ernie15
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I'm sure he meant killing with a gun.


I meant shooting, as in with a gun. Without guns, how would we shoot people using guns? o_O
Xervicx
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I meant shooting, as in with a gun. Without guns, how would we shoot people using guns? o_O


That is flawed logic. That's like saying "hey, without drugs, people won't ever get high! Ever!" Well congratulations, not only are there still drugs from illegal drug trafficking, now there are people using whatever they can find. That didn't exactly help things much, now did it?

Without guns, people can shoot each other with anything that can shoot out pressurized air, like nail guns... which are technically tools, not guns. Besides, you aren't erasing them from existence. Dishonest and criminal citizens will keep their guns, and black market guns will reach an even higher popularity among people. So then you will have made things much worse overall.

Does anyone realize that Germany, with much less restrictions on firearms, had only 23 incidents involving guns a few years ago? That same year, the United States, which has more restrictions, had over 1,000 incidents. Makes sense? Actually, it does to me.
bazaar
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it's intellectually dishonest to make a flat comparison like that without scaling it to population. the united states is one of the most populous countries in the world.

Xervicx
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it's intellectually dishonest to make a flat comparison like that without scaling it to population. the united states is one of the most populous countries in the world.


Japan? China? Countless other countries? They don't exist? Wow... and I thought I had learned their names for a reason.

And besides, EVERY single nation listed in that year had less. Germany was the second highest.
bazaar
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yes, but it's still intentionally misleading to withhold population when you're talking about gun violence rates.

also, what are you talking about? what do japan and china have to do with the united states being one of the most populous countries in the world?

CerealkillerX
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now this is not about the people of the world, but about guns (wee) but if you really must know, japan is much less populated than america, factor of 3, and america is actually the thirdmost populated country in the world, only china and india are more populated.

but back to topic, there are 350 million americans, and 80 million germans, a factor of 5, so, that would mean that if there were the same amount of americans as germans, we had 200+ incidents... a factor fo 100... all in all, xervicx´s point still stands

Xervicx
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Not to mention the fact that we have more restrictions. So that makes our statistics even worse. There are many aspects of the US that are restricted by law, and other countries, having slightly more relaxed restrictions, have less incidents related to those laws.

Think Prohibition Era. The use of alcohol rose sharply during that time. Once alcohol was made legal again, less people bought and consumed alcohol.

Dubness2
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I meant shooting, as in with a gun. Without guns, how would we shoot people using guns? o_O

So just shooting them not killing them? if so, thats about retarded as a football bat. Your just going to shoot them and wound them woow.. if thats what you meant.
Think Prohibition Era. The use of alcohol rose sharply during that time. Once alcohol was made legal again, less people bought and consumed alcohol.

Ahh yes you are so correct. To support your statement: Prohibition came in as the WCTU (Woman's Christian Temprance Union) in early 1900's persuaded the congress to pass the Prohibition Admen. (18 admen) when then crime with alcholol shot sky high 40% more than EVER before!!!
The same thing would happen with guns. If they are more common. Fear is more common.
Xervicx
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The same thing would happen with guns. If they are more common. Fear is more common.


Yes, especially since the blackmarket for firearms would receive much more business. Not only that, there would be a lot of outside sources supplying the criminals with the guns, so those groups would be gaining money and with that, support. Not exactly a good thing, is it?
Ernie15
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So just shooting them not killing them?


That's basically just every shooting video game ever made. Sure, the game tells you that you're killing them, but it's actually just graphics and blood; you're not actually taking the life of a real human being.

So, shooting people without killing them opens up possibilities to reenact video games, and therefore not having to waste so much money on a 360. Now tell me, how is that not cool?
Freakenstein
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Not only that, but it's real blood and sometimes gore! That WOULD be cool Ernie! Except for the part that jail time is real though. Now if we took that out.... hahahaha

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