Yes, I'm submitting this because I don't see any currently active threads on the issue :P
I'll just leave two statements that probe a little deeper than face value:
a) Exactly what motivates the military's policy here? One must admit that "don't ask, don't tell" is definitely less discriminatory than "search and destroy", but are there any grounds for the military to somehow be run with standards separate from the rest of civilised society?
b) On an individual level regardless of the above, is Choi's position compromised beyond repair? Has he sacrificed his military career for the sake of a political campaign? It would most definitely be construed as an act of defiance against authority and policy.
And it is wrong to not like em? I think what i think, i dont want think they should be in the army and should be segregated there. I PERSONALLY THINK THAT they can choose to be gay or not, but again, its a thing that we dont know. With me being a muslim, i have been discriminated all my life, and yea it does piss me off. Every time i go to a mosque, theres police all around me and one time even invaded a mosque near by. And you know how we are treated in this country. If your muslim, they dont like you. I felt that kind of pain. And i felt the pain of my race too. Some of my relatives died just cuz they were hispanics. I FELT THAT PAIN.
Then how could you wish that pain upon others? All of that has happened to homosexuals, both in and outside of the USA. I just don't understand how you could input the empathy filter so easily, especially hen this group you hate is experiencing problems almost identical to yours.
Like I said, do you have a reason? Opinions aren't worth holding if you can't back them up with a reason besides 'I just don't like them.'
and you're contradicting yourself. You're saying that they shouldn't be mistreated, but you're also saying that they should. Segregation, denial of marriage rights, and not being able to join the military is mistreatment. All of it is - try not to contradict yourself, especially when you can't support your prejudiced opinion.
and you're contradicting yourself. You're saying that they shouldn't be mistreated, but you're also saying that they should. Segregation, denial of marriage rights, and not being able to join the military is mistreatment. All of it is - try not to contradict yourself, especially when you can't support your prejudiced opinion.
Im not wishing pain upon anybody? Denial in marriage should be enforced, and that is not pain. Its not mistreatment since im not doing anything to them. I think its wrong for them to get mistreated or beaten or anything like that, but again i just dont like them. I dont think they should be granted their rights! Its just that!
And u know why i dont like em?? CUZ THEY SCARE THE HELL OUT OF ME. Ive delt with gay people and that was a negative expierience. Its not that i wish pain or anything upon them, but should be segregated. Thats my mind. They shouldnt be exactly equal. AND IN NO WAY DO I HATE THEM. Theres a difference between hate and dislike. I just dont wanna see them.
In the end its pointless cuz i just dont have a narrow mind. Its just a thing inside of me that just disgust me from them.
The Bottom line is i dont like them, i dont wanna see them, i dont think the should be granted the marrage rights, and i wish i dont get invloved with them
Wow, I've never seen such a blatant disregard for logic.
Hey Kielzanie, I think muslims & hispanics should be put on an island somewhere away from the rest of the world. That wouldn't be hurtful to you, would it?
Im not wishing pain upon anybody? Denial in marriage should be enforced, and that is not pain. Its not mistreatment since im not doing anything to them. I think its wrong for them to get mistreated or beaten or anything like that, but again i just dont like them. I dont think they should be granted their rights! Its just that!
nonononononononono. . .you're endorsing mistreatment. Not being granted rights is mistreatment. You continue to contradict yourself.
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And u know why i dont like em?? CUZ THEY SCARE THE HELL OUT OF ME.
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Once again, totally baseless. Like me saying that I'm scared of Muslims because of 911.
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Ive delt with gay people and that was a negative expierience. Its not that i wish pain or anything upon them, but should be segregated. Thats my mind. They shouldnt be exactly equal. AND IN NO WAY DO I HATE THEM. Theres a difference between hate and dislike. I just dont wanna see them.
. . .but not being equal, being denied rights is painful. It is mistreatment. You misunderstand.
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The Bottom line is i dont like them, i dont wanna see them, i dont think the should be granted the marrage rights, and i wish i dont get invloved with them
do you have some sort of superhuman gaydar? It's not some sort of easily tellable thing, a person's sexuality is. And a single bad experience with a homosexual makes you dislike the entire minority? That's not right. At all.
In the end its pointless cuz i just dont have a narrow mind. Its just a thing inside of me that just disgust me from them.
If you don't have a narrow mind, then why are you being so narrow-minded?
The Bottom line is i dont like them, i dont wanna see them, i dont think the should be granted the marrage rights, and i wish i dont get invloved with them
That's okay as an opinion, but that doesn't mean that they should be denied any rights. Really, it would be just like the Jim Crow Laws situation years back. You can have an opinion, but it's not worth having since you can't back it up legitimately and you're advocating discrimination towards a minority.
My opinion on this in general can be summed up to: Sexual preferences, gender, religion and race should not be as important as people make it up to be. Especially not to the military. It doesn't affect you outside of your head. And the amount it affects you inside your head is your own gawddang fault.
It's ridiculous. I'd laugh if it wasn't so stupid. It's all about what people are "comfortable" about knowing.
They should not be in the military, i think. They should be segregated, and i know some people are against me, but i dont think that they should be granted these rights. Im sorry, i just cant stand them.
You have a right to dislike gays for no logical reason at all as long as you don't act upon your dislike, but I just have to add this in...
Segregating gays from straights is kind of impossible. You could have a child one day, and he or she could be gay. It's totally possible. Probably highly unlikely that he/she will "come out" if raised with homophobic parents, but it could happen.
Segregation of gays = not a solution, and, honestly, kind of an ignorant idea.
Cant open it cuz of my internet, but i dont matter. We could conclude that there is only a few openly gay soldiers in armies before and now.
Segregating gays from straights is kind of impossible. You could have a child one day, and he or she could be gay. It's totally possible. Probably highly unlikely that he/she will "come out" if raised with homophobic parents, but it could happen.
Of coarse it is not possible. I just dont like them and dont wannna be a part of them. Thats all im saying! I dont like them cuz of coarse it is against my beliefs and im scared of them. Im NOT DOING ANYTHING TO THEM!
nonononononononono. . .you're endorsing mistreatment. Not being granted rights is mistreatment. You continue to contradict yourself.
Well, i certainly dont think im endorsing mistreatment. I just dont think they should be granted those rights. thats it.
do you have some sort of superhuman gaydar? It's not some sort of easily tellable thing, a person's sexuality is. And a single bad experience with a homosexual makes you dislike the entire minority? That's not right. At all.
Like i said, its not only that. No i cant tell weather they are gay or not, but if someone openly tells me that they are gay, i would just try to stay away. And just because of one gay person i dont hate a whole thing. Indeed that is wrong but that is not what i am doing.
If you don't have a narrow mind, then why are you being so narrow-minded?
Yes, i am not narrow minded cuz i can admitt my mistakes. But with this, i just dont like them, thats it! I heard people talk about gays, but i still dont like them. Im just convinced now.
Once again, totally baseless. Like me saying that I'm scared of Muslims because of 911.
Im scared of them and thats it. Nothing to it. It just freaks me out just the way they declare themselves as. Again, now that would be narrow minded if you say ur scared of muslims because of 911.
Well, i certainly dont think im endorsing mistreatment. I just dont think they should be granted those rights. thats it.
GODDAMMIT, NOT THINKING THEY SHOULD HAVE THOSE RIGHTS IS ENDORSING MISTREATMENT. LEARN TO READ.
Im scared of them and thats it. Nothing to it. It just freaks me out just the way they declare themselves as. Again, now that would be narrow minded if you say ur scared of muslims because of 911.
It's more narrow-minded to say that you disdain homosexuals for no reason.
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Yes, i am not narrow minded cuz i can admitt my mistakes. But with this, i just dont like them, thats it! I heard people talk about gays, but i still dont like them. Im just convinced now.
Not liking a minority just because is REALLY DAM NARROW-MINDED.
Interestingly, homophobia is typically actually a repression of homosexual tendencies.
Your dislike, and belief that they should be segregated; your double standards for what is discrimination and what is not, and your inability to understand the harm you want to, and do inflict on others is shocking.
Of coarse it is not possible. I just dont like them and dont wannna be a part of them. Thats all im saying! I dont like them cuz of coarse it is against my beliefs and im scared of them. Im NOT DOING ANYTHING TO THEM!
Pretty much baseless fear here, saying you "don't wanna be a part of them". You don't become gay by not hating homosexuals, it doesn't work like that. The religious beliefs, although I suppose that's a valid, seems to be more of an excuse to cover a base of homophobia which is pretty much throughout all of your post.
Well, i certainly dont think im endorsing mistreatment. I just dont think they should be granted those rights. thats it.
In a way you are. As long as people are held without rights, that's mistreatment. Sure, in some cases its a little more justifiable, like felons not being able to vote, but with this I don't see a reason why a gay person should have any less right our law system than a straight person.
i would just try to stay away. And just because of one gay person i dont hate a whole thing. Indeed that is wrong but that is not what i am doing.
You're already closing yourself off to the possibility of accepting a homosexual person just because of that? Is it the same for women too, or are you only afraid of homosexual men?
Yes, i am not narrow minded cuz i can admitt my mistakes. But with this, i just dont like them, thats it! I heard people talk about gays, but i still dont like them. Im just convinced now.
Admitting mistakes is part of being open minded, but not all of it. Being open minded would allow you the possibility of accepting a homosexual person, not just rejecting them outright as you've stated you do.
Im scared of them and thats it. Nothing to it. It just freaks me out just the way they declare themselves as. Again, now that would be narrow minded if you say ur scared of muslims because of 911.
What reasons could you be scared of them? Just because they declare themselves? Most major achievements in equal rights were made through vocal public statements, and the gay community have every right to express their situation in the way they do. Its no different than being scared of Muslims because of 9/11. Its still narrow minded to reject homosexuality as equal simply because your afraid of them, and instead of being afraid of Muslims all you're doing is replacing them with homosexuals.
Interestingly, homophobia is typically actually a repression of homosexual tendencies.
Well, lets hope people never find out, otherwise there goes half the Republican party....
Maybe he was weak, but all that tells me is that you must have been sexist before you went in.
I'm not Sexist....
So "don't ask don't tell" is there so that gays can be in the military but if anyone knows they are gay they can't be. I'm sorry but that's just stupid. What does gender or sexual orientation have to do with a persons ability to serve their country?
No, you don't understand. As long as they don't OPENLY Show that they are gay, there is no problem. The don't ask, is for everyone else, the don't tell is the gays. ALSO, sexual relations with ANYONE is forbidden during times of war unless you are married.
The only reason that it breeds discrimination, mistrust, and internel conflict is because of men who are unable to accept that women are just as capable as they are.
No the reason is because special favors are given to females including promotions, shorter work hours and other special treatment. Most are NOT as capable, and all you are doing is waving a piece of meat in front of a starving dog. You have 1 female for every 300 men. Sorry, but that only breeds conflict.
hmmm lemme throw in my 17 cents. if i was in the military, i wouldnt want to be with a gay guy. IO think its more of a sense of security. also, if gays were meant to be in the military, im sure their would had of been one in saving private ryan
No the reason is because special favors are given to females including promotions, shorter work hours and other special treatment. Most are NOT as capable, and all you are doing is waving a piece of meat in front of a starving dog.
Prove it.
You have 1 female for every 300 men. Sorry, but that only breeds conflict.
That on the other hand, is almost unequivocally true. However, there are also regulations regarding sexual conduct in military person and those who decide to enlist should be the paragons of our soceity; not goons who are going to get in a fist fight over a girl.
In my opinion, someone who's perfectly good at what they do shouldn't be fired for their sexual orientation. I plan on going to West Point, and hopefully graduating. If I have to command a gay subordinate then so be it, as long as they don't go off hitting on my other subordinates I'm fine. As long as they can do their job without hesitation, I'm fine. It's loosing someone who might save you on a battlefield at some point. So overall, military protocols =/= right protocols.
