ForumsWEPRIs religion insanity (justified)?

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Kasic
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Think about it, what is religion? The belief in something that cannot be proven, that has many, many things that as of yet we have found impossible, and in many people, it is unshakeable. Now I am not saying that all religious people are going to go kill someone or end up in an assylum, but think, in every religion, the basis is something that cannot be know, but is only faith. Faith in something that could turn out to be wrong, faith in something that you have absolutely no way of knowing. Also, think how many of these religions started, some person got a message from a "god" that told them what to do. Don't go crazy on me, I just want people to think about it.

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Ion24
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Not much, actually, besides that America was their official name after they gained freedom from Britain. They were the colonists all the way up until the revolution.

Ion24
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the mormons are actualy one of the fastest growing religions in amarica (not morman) but the religion that i think is just full of nonsence is sciencetolagy


Now THERE'S a topic! "All of our fears and worries are caused by the souls of slaughtered aliens sticking themselves to our backs". That's going to generate a lot of discussion.

Oh, and Kronikkitten? You might want to touch up on your English so people can understand what you're saying.
TheDude42
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Not much, actually, besides that America was their official name after they gained freedom from Britain. They were the colonists all the way up until the revolution.

When America was founded, however, it adopted freedom of religion.
thisisnotanalt
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Also, the standard for what's actually true is a little too high in my opinion. For example, how do you get things like gravity and evolution and reality itself to be accepted as more than just theories but truth?


Very guileful persuasion and indoctrination. People are skeptical of everything but what they learn during their childhood.

The honorable and less shady way is through logos, but people don't care about logos anymore.
Ion24
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Not much, actually, besides that America was their official name after they gained freedom from Britain. They were the colonists all the way up until the revolution.

When America was founded, however, it adopted freedom of religion.


The colonists had adopted the freedom of religion as soon as they settled, actually.
Ion24
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The honorable and less shady way is through logos, but people don't care about logos anymore.


Umm, logos? You mean like symbols or what?
Nurvana
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Let me guess, you're a christian? I bet the muslims thought that the christians were defiling holy cities while they were there and interrupting trade.


No, because we didn't kill anyone who tried to pass through or commandeer all turnpikes.
thisisnotanalt
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Umm, logos? You mean like symbols or what?


Persuasion through logic, not symbols. Pathos is emotional persuasion, ethos is persuasion based on the merits and/or credibility of the speaker and logos (Lohg-Oess) is persuasion through reasoning and logic.

There ya go, a little mini-lesson on debate, philosophy and literature
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The colonists had adopted the freedom of religion as soon as they settled, actually.


UM, I dont know where you got that info but im 99.9999999999% sure that they didnt. Road Island was the first colony with freedom of religion. In fact it was partly founded because no one else liked the idea at the time.

Anyway, back the OP

Main Entry: inâ¢sanâ¢iâ¢ty
Pronunciation: \\in-Ësa-nÉ-tÄ"\\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural inâ¢sanâ¢iâ¢ties
Date: 1590
1 : a deranged state of the mind usually occurring as a specific disorder (as schizophrenia)
2 : such unsoundness of mind or lack of understanding as prevents one from having the mental capacity required by law to enter into a particular relationship, status, or transaction or as removes one from criminal or civil responsibility
3 a : extreme folly or unreasonableness b : something utterly foolish or unreasonable


Both the 1st and 2nd meaning dont really mean what religion does. The 3rd meaning on the other hand... :P

Anyway, religion however little it has to do with logic is i dont find to be insanity, well radicals(terrorists) and cults(like the Kool-aid dudes) thats is insanity.
Kasic
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No, because we didn't kill anyone who tried to pass through or commandeer all turnpikes.


Except muslims.

cults(like the Kool-aid dudes)


PLEASE tell me you're kidding.
lazerlemon
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"the dancing people are only crazy to those who dont hear the music."

Kasic
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"the dancing people are only crazy to those who dont hear the music."


That or they really are crazy.
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I think we should recognize that the title of this thread is extremely misleading. Of course religion isn't insanity. But it might be an unjustified belief to hold.
A better question would be: Is religious belief irrational?

Ion24
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Umm, caucasiafro? I think you're forgeting that freedom of religion was the main reason that most of the colonists came to America. Sure, maybe they didn't establish it immediatly, but I was talking on a larger scale there. I meant that they had officialy declared their acceptance for other beliefs very soon after they landed (like, within two years). Also, they accepted other religions long before anybody officialy declared it.

Kasic
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A better question would be: Is religious belief irrational?


Mmm, perhaps the title is a little over exaggerating the point of the thread, but too late now. Okay, as to end the colonial religion thing, people came to the Americas from England for 3 reasons. One, they thought they could get rich, two, they wanted to start a new life, three, to avoid religious persecution. America was no founded on religious grounds, it was founded on the grounds that the colonists saw that paying for Britain saving them from the French and Native americans as too much. Nothing to do with religion.

Going with Moegreche's idea, religion is irrational. Think, what solid proof does christianity have that they are even SLIGHTLY right? What grounds do they have to claim that everyone is evil? Believing in some divine power that we can never know exists and blaming everything on some fallen angel? I'd like to know how people can believe in this, it just seems waaaaay to far out there for me.
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