ForumsWEPR10-year old refuses to stand for The Pledge Of Allegiance

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dudeguy45
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What do you think?

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adios194
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I think its disrespesctful to the country.I will always stand for the pledge.(unless hes from The Soviet Union that was bad)

How is it disrespectful? We're supposed to have freedom of speech and expression! The original foundations of which america was composed of have been thrown out the door. The new laws are bious and unconstitutional. I won't stand for the pledge of allegiance or say it. Its bullshit.
So what about a native american? Would they have the right NOT to stand for the pledge, after all, it was their country long before my ancestors set foot on the soil.

I agree with this, but you need to broaden it. All people have the right to do what they want within certain guidelines. I am part native american, not much a little bit, and the other side of my family is from wales. Like I said, I don't stand for the pledge of allegiance or say it.
I really like the sound of this kid. Just because he didn't stand for the pledge doesn't necessarily mean he feels like disrespecting his country. He only said that he doesn't like it's current state. Sure, his resolve might be a little irrelevant, but stop and think about it for a moment, how else is he going to get his opinion out there? He's a 10-year old, the way I see it, his method was somewhat effective (I hear about him all the time) for his low stand point in the political world.
Give him a break guys, he stood up (or sat down, LOL) for what he believed and voiced his opinion against everyone who was yelling at him and saying that what he was doing was wrong. You have to at least give him credit for that. *cough*TSL3 and Green*cough*
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Thats kind of gay (pun intended :P)
Yeah, everyone is intilted to thier own opinion, but thats disrespectfull to the country. If you don't like it here, move to Antartica where everything is legal.

And the last line made me facepalm. Thomas Jefferson is proably rolling in his grave. He was a beliver in Christ, so although he wouldn't take away homosexuality, he wouldn't be happy someone disrecpeted the contry either.

grimml
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but thats disrespectfull to the country


Why?

If you don't like it here, move to Antartica where everything is legal


He didn't say that he doesn't like it there. But he sees that there are problems that must be solved (although he's only 10!!).

I always wondered why Americans stand up for the Pledge of Allegiance... In my eyes that's so weird and much too patriotic...
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Well, I guess he doesn't see the importance of the pledge.

grimml
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Well, I guess he doesn't see the importance of the pledge.


Why is the pledge so important? (I really wanna know that cause I'm not from the States)
Drace
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Why is the pledge so important? (I really wanna know that cause I'm not from the States)


Its not. I never stand up for the shit.
adios194
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Thats kind of gay (pun intended :P)
Yeah, everyone is intilted to thier own opinion, but thats disrespectfull to the country. If you don't like it here, move to Antartica where everything is legal.
And the last line made me facepalm. Thomas Jefferson is proably rolling in his grave. He was a beliver in Christ, so although he wouldn't take away homosexuality, he wouldn't be happy someone disrecpeted the contry either.

What the f++k? You're the most ignorant person I have ever been in contact with. It's entitled not "intilted", their not "thier", disrespectful not "disrespectfull", probably not &quotroably", believer not "beliver", disrespected not "disrecpeted." You need to take some grammar lessons. Move to Antarctica? Thats quite ignorant.
And the last line made me facepalm. Thomas Jefferson is proably rolling in his grave. He was a beliver in Christ, so although he wouldn't take away homosexuality, he wouldn't be happy someone disrecpeted the contry either.

You need to facepalm due to your ignorance. In the bible it doesn't specifically state homosexuality is against christianity. He is also one of the founding fathers, he started freedom of speech,etc. He would agree with this kid.
OberKommando44
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You need to facepalm due to your ignorance. In the bible it doesn't specifically state homosexuality is against christianity


The Bible may not state that but it is clearly for the Marriage between a man and a woman. Thats why God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. (I've been waiting forever to use that joke lol)
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Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. (I've been waiting forever to use that joke lol)

Lol...

Anyway, the kid can believe what he wants. The Pledge of Allegiance is a little retarded to me, most of the kids just stand up in school because they don't want some crazy patriotic weirdo to tell us that we should all lurve our cuntry.

To be honest, in Spanish, half the kids don't even stand. After third grade, most kids would stand but just let the principle/whomever go on and on with it.

And wtf is with Texas? They have their OWN pledge. xD Lol

Anyway, I'm fine with him disagreeing with whatever he wants, but since its common courtesy to do so in school, at least to stand -- He should not disagree take 'to be an American' as a freedom of speech, but just simply freedom. Its fine that he should be against the current policies towards gays -- but he should not contradict his own allegiance to his country. Imo, anyway. Tbh the pledge doesn't mean much -- I feel more patriotic when I read something on a building in DC when I do when I say the pledge, Lol.


Btw, Antartica is owned by about 20 countries -- therefore it is technically governed by International Law.
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You need to facepalm due to your ignorance. In the bible it doesn't specifically state homosexuality is against christianity. He is also one of the founding fathers, he started freedom of speech,etc. He would agree with this kid.

Additionally, he should facepalm because Jefferson was a deist, not a full blown christian. That means he believed in questioning everything, much like this kid. Deists also don't really follow any holy book, so the Bible's stance on homosexuality is irrelevant. Jefferson would definetly stand up for this kid's right to sit down.

For his part, Thomas Jefferson is perhaps one of the Founding Fathers with the most outspoken of Deist tendencies, though he more often referred to himself as a Unitarian.

From Wikipedia
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Why not just stand for the pledge and not care about making a statement? For christ's sake the kid is only ten fu*king years old!!! Enjoy being a kid, not about what statement you will make by not saying the Pledge of Allegence. Isn't it also school policy that you can stand but you don't have to say the pledge? Why no just do that and be done with your political statement.

grimml
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Why not just stand for the pledge and not care about making a statement?


Because the boy knows that that's not the right thing... He's only 10 but it seems like he's very smart (for his age).
adios194
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The Bible may not state that but it is clearly for the Marriage between a man and a woman. Thats why God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. (I've been waiting forever to use that joke lol)

That's an opinion. Also, that joke is lame.
Antartica is owned by about 20 countries -- therefore it is technically governed by International Law.
Durrr

I thought so, its land that noone and everyone owns. I just wasn't sure, thanks for reassuring me.
@Aknerd, that was the perfect statement.
Why not just stand for the pledge and not care about making a statement? For christ's sake the kid is only ten fu*king years old!!! Enjoy being a kid, not about what statement you will make by not saying the Pledge of Allegence. Isn't it also school policy that you can stand but you don't have to say the pledge? Why no just do that and be done with your political statement.

He didn't stand because he didn't believe in it. Schools don't have policies that make you stand or pledge. Its against the law if they did.
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I feel you shouldn't disrespect the flag or the country just because you disagree with something. Let's say that gay marriage does get pass, there will be people on the other side that will disagree with that statement. Does that mean they get to sit while the Pledge of Allegiance is being sung?

Yes, the kid can do it if he wants, however it's very disrespectful and shows that just because you disagree with something it's ok for you to piss and moan whenever possible.

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Does that mean they get to sit while the Pledge of Allegiance is being sung?


Yes it does. If the lil kid can protest then the people against can protest.

And I think its not disrespectful as such, its making a stand by saying "I will not sing a song about freedom and alegance when there are a group of people being oppressed for no reason"
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