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Kyouzou
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For those who don't know AI = artificial intelligence, basically a machine that reacts as the human brain does. This means that it has to be able to learn and adapt to change. What I want to know is what AG thinks of it? Anyone automatically thinking of the Terminator and The Matrix?

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314d1
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A self updating program would essentially be able to write its own updates, human assistance wouldn't be required, like I said it would essentially be a human brain.


Even if you made it 99% human, there are still some functions that the human race whould ad, or take away. One of those is free will. Who wants servants that have free will? Another may be abstract thought. Doesen't come in usefull.

And again, if it was an exat modle of the human brain it whould still have to be programmed, and we whould program them to be minions not rebles.
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i dont think that we will every be able to make a robot that can think like a human, robots cant have emotions

314d1
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[quote]i dont think that we will every be able to make a robot that can think like a human, robots cant have emotions


Why not? I whould say we could advance our Ai teck to a point were it can take simple orders in less then a thousand years...
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Anyone automatically thinking of the Terminator and The Matrix?


Nah, I go to Asimov & the Three Laws:

1 - A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

2 - A robot must obey any orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

3 - A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.


I find the subject fascinating; I'm looking forward to see where and how far it goes in my lifetime.
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Not quite, what I meant by AI was a robot that can learn, a self updating program if you will. This would of course mean the programming would have to be as complex as the brain and would take years to build. The idea is that once they reach this level, they will be intelligent, and they will wonder why am I doing this menial job when I could do so much more, you would have to put in some kind of fail safe that the AIs themselves don't know about.


A robot with such an ability would be put to better use then just preforming a repetitive task constantly. Besides it's also possible the robot would like to preform that task. If I worked at it I could most likely be a biologist. However I'm perfectly happy making designs to sell on shirts, cups, and other assorted items.

Nah, I go to Asimov & the Three Laws:


The three laws need subprograms along with them.
314d1
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An AI is usually much smarter than its makers, 314d1.
I don't think of the Matrix so much as total technological singularity. The robots make themselves, and are smarter/stronger/more effective that us humans. Think of what that would do to the economy.


I laugh at the fact your AI knolage comes from fiction movies. No, they whould not be smarter. The human race still needs to program them, teach them, and creat them. And the fact that they whould be massed produced whould mean they had no education, just programing to work. They will never be good scientist, inventors, or anything like that do to the fact all they can do is what is programmed.
Kyouzou
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How? We're constantly updating programs and they're getting more and more complex and not to mention programs are written by more than one person. Which means that anyone computers program is smarter than a single person....

Kyouzou
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But see thats what I'm trying to say, if robots take over all jobs, there would be no income and therefore eliminating the need for money.

314d1
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Education would be a problem, I give you that point, but:
We can program them to be smarter(As Kyouzo stated), not better educated. Big difference. Artists and inventors would remain until true(Creativity, emotions, everything) AI is discovered, at which point the economy is dead.
The common people would be out of work long before that, because robots are, well, robots.
Which movies are you thinking of?


Onece we manage to make robots like that, then yes they whould take over the economy, but they whould still be minions of the human race. We whouln't have to do anything, the robots whould keep us alive, and it whould be impossible for them to not. The only problem whould arise once the human race ran out of territory or food... And it was in the quote that the person was thinking of the matrix.
Kyouzou
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But that would mean people would starve and riot and such therefore violating the first law that HD talked about.

314d1
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But that would mean people would starve and riot and such therefore violating the first law that HD talked about.


Exactly. The robots whould then start bieng built for warfair, thus if they gain enough free will to hate bieng treated as slaves and if there smart enough to get around the laws set in place, then you whould have a problem. But that either won't happen or won't happen for billions of years.
Kyouzou
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The point where they become akin to the human brain is still decades into the future. Although in my opinion if their actions were violating the first law, wouldn't they self-destruct?

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Ha robots making robots. Already happening. Machines manufacture cars

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I would think that they would crash, not self-destruct lol

When computers encounter a fatal error in their programming, they don't explode, they just get a blue-screen or just freeze up. I'd imagine the same thing would be for AI-trained robots.

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good point, but its not as advanced as AI, is it?

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