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loloynage2
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WAAIT!!!! Calm down and read plz

One day i was thinking: wouldnt be life better without religion?

Why did i think that? There are a lot of reasons:

1.War. Since religion was created, there was wars. One religion again a other, just because they don't agree with each other. Or like WW2, it was for making a religion (christians) to become powerfull and killing other religions (jews). U.S.A think that "god" is on they side and start killing whatever by the name of god. And same thing with the terorists.

2.Stops Science. A lot of famous people like Galileo or Copernic where stoped, cause they didnt have the same point of view then the church. Darwin had a lot of problems, and people didnt believe him, just because it was against religion.

3.Injustice. Womens where lower in society then mens. Mostly in Indu or Muslim, the women couldnt do anything. Had to hide face, couldnt choose who to marry. Also, there wasnt any freedom of speech. If u think differently then the religion, you get killed, tortured or you get send to prison.

So. Here is a question: Wouldnt life be better without religion? Wouldnt we be like 50 years in the futur in science? Wouldnt everyone be happier without a religion? Just living your life normaly....

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Armed_Blade
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but its nowhere near as fun.


No no, you misread what I said. I'm talking as if he were either paying the tax, or dying [massively along with everyone else]

That answer would only work for Christians, lets say, living in Spain under the rule of Ferdinand and Isabella. Who, the current racial bigot Spanish [Prime minister, I think?] Leader adores so much. Inquisition was nasty for anyone not a Roman Catholic. Even later when the protestants came by to say hello.
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Im pretty sure that if no religion was ever created, one would eventually be created. lol just sayin

FloydTC
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No no, you misread what I said. I'm talking as if he were either paying the tax, or dying


its a hard choice, depending on how much the tax is.

Im pretty sure that if no religion was ever created, one would eventually be created.


that contradicts itself.
tomertheking
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Tomer align yourself. If the Christians hate you then why are the Jews so adamant on screwing over Muslims, who housed you wherever for centuries? I'm rather sure paying a tax beats massive killing. Just a guess.


a. They both want to kill us. The church wants to kill us and so do the muslims.
b. Western culture has cooled down to atheism.
c. If the church said kill the jews, the vatican populatity drops to a minus. If muslims say so, the people agree/ don't care.
d. Our neighbors are muslim, not cristian.
e. cristians are finally giving help.
f. cristians rule the world's economy ect... .
tomertheking
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It was not until the time of European nationalism (corresponding with things like the French Revo and the unification of Germany) was when Jews were looked at as people who could not assimilate, therefore not fit in with the common goals of the country.


actually they were used as a scrapegoat for defeats in wars, economic collapses, and pretty much like media tip num. 14#
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a. They both want to kill us. The church wants to kill us and so do the muslims.


You really shouldn't generalize such things. I'm sure most Christians would not want to kill an innocent Jew. Same for Muslims. Many Muslims are against the Government of Israel, but that is a political organization, not religious. Most Muslims should not have anything against the Jews. After all, the Jewish book of faith (Torrah, I think. I apologize if I'm wrong) is, in Muslim belief, one of the holy books sent down by God.

Also, you should know that when Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h) was migrating to Madinah (an early event, before the Islamic state was founded), the Jews were eager to receive him into the city. When the Prophet arrived, he signed a treaty with the Jews, a treaty of peace and co-operation.

In Islam, killing an innocent is a major crime. Islam lays down the rules of war, saying that no woman or child, sick person or cripple, should be harmed. Also, it is stated that no place of worship should be defaced.

This is what a highly respected and honourable companion of the Prophet said about the Law of war in accordance to Islam.

O people! I charge you with ten rules; learn them well!

Do no betray or misappropriate any part of the booty; do not practice treachery or mutilation. Do not kill a young child, an old man, or a woman. Do not uproot or burn palms or cut down fruitful trees. Do not slaughter a sheep or a cow or a camel, except for food. You will meet people who have set themselves apart in hermitages; leave them to accomplish the purpose for which they have done this. You will come upon people who will bring you dishes with various kinds of foods. If you partake of them, pronounce God's name over what you eat. You will meet people who have shaved the crown of their heads, leaving a band of hair around it (monks). Go in Gods name, and may God protect you from sword and pestilence.


Any Muslim who wants to kill an innocent Jew (or a person of any other religion or belief) is not a Muslim.
Bloodscum
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Sorry about double post I just forgot to mention the companion's name. It was Abu Bakr.

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Regarding the original question, I'm here to give the answer asked by OP:
Hell yeah!

tomertheking
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I'm sure most Christians would not want to kill an innocent Jew.


*coughcursades,Spanishinquisition,Pogroms,allofwitchthegovormentwantedcough*

That was a big cough.

Same for Muslims. Many Muslims are against the Government of Israel, but that is a political organization, not religious. Most Muslims should not have anything against the Jews. After all, the Jewish book of faith (Torrah, I think. I apologize if I'm wrong) is, in Muslim belief, one of the holy books sent down by God.
Also, you should know that when Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h) was migrating to Madinah (an early event, before the Islamic state was founded), the Jews were eager to receive him into the city. When the Prophet arrived, he signed a treaty with the Jews, a treaty of peace and co-operation.
In Islam, killing an innocent is a major crime. Islam lays down the rules of war, saying that no woman or child, sick person or cripple, should be harmed. Also, it is stated that no place of worship should be defaced.
This is what a highly respected and honourable companion of the Prophet said about the Law of war in accordance to Islam.


Ever heard of ji-had? It sais to kill all the pagans and those that do not belive in muhhamid.

Any Muslim who wants to kill an innocent Jew (or a person of any other religion or belief) is not a Muslim.


LOL

When the Prophet arrived, he signed a treaty with the Jews, a treaty of peace and co-operation.


Learn history. He deleted that shortly after he realised that the jews were not converting to Islam. Ever seen a map of the muslim empire? Look better at palestine next time you see one.
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Ever heard of ji-had? It sais to kill all the pagans and those that do not belive in muhhamid


Yes I've heard of "Ji-had"

I've studied it, read about it. It means struggle. It could be a personal struggle against inner evil, or a justified struggle against an oppressor. JUSTIFIED. What these terrorists are doing is NOT justified. What if your country was invaded. Would you not fight back, use any method to protect yourself? Jihad is like that, self defence and defending the religion. Please, I know about my religion, and I am not stupid. Jihad on an international basis is only against an oppressor and for a just cause.

Also, the Jews of Madinah betrayed the treaty when they gave help to the Quraish (a pagan tribe which wanted to wipe out Islam), and aided them when the Quraish were going to attack Madinah. After that battle, the males of three Jewish rebel tribes were executed, and the women and children deported from Madina. Please note that this did not show animosity to Jews in general, but only to those who betrayed the treaty. Jews continued to live in the Islamic Empire peacefully, and violence flared between the two groups only with the creation of Israel.

Rabbi Mukhayriq was a Jew at he time of the battle. He fought for the Prophet, and he asked his fellow Jews to fight for him as well, though they refused. Muslims consider him a martyr to Islam. If a rabbi is willing to die for the Prophet, it shows that there was no inherent animosity between the two groups.

Do not simply label us Muslims as Jew haters.
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cristian.


It's Christian, geez.

You really shouldn't generalize such things. I'm sure most Christians would not want to kill an innocent Jew. Same for Muslims.


Yeah i agree with you Bloodscum, tomertheking's being way to sterotypical.

Do not simply label us Muslims as Jew haters.


And do not label US Christians as Jew haters.
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And do not label US Christians as Jew haters.


Exactly.

Stereotypes are bad for everyone. The only way the world can progress is through co-operation, not hate and labeling people as haters.
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Ever heard of ji-had? It sais to kill all the pagans and those that do not belive in muhhamid.

Muhammad(PBUH)
Jihad Its one word
Do you know Hebrew? Its a bit close to Arabic, I'd assume.
Kafr = Non-Believer. In Greek translation, the usual go-to guy when translating Arabic to Latin languages, all you find is "Infidel" and "Pagan". Why? Idk. Sadly enough, people then think that Muslims are out to kill said 'Infidels' which somehow when speaking about them is a synonym to 'Kafr'.

Its not, therefore that is not the definition of Jihad.
Paganism in Arabic has its own word, by the way. I just can't recall it atm :S

So there's only two things left.
A) The religion contradicts itself, by saying that A) You shouldn't kill, and live peacefully with those of the Book. And then saying B) Kill all Non-Believers.

Or, we could be more logical and realize that possibly the usual translations of Arabic are picked up wrong, and assume that Jihad means struggle.
If, America started persecuting Muslims, we'd have a right to Jihad. In my opinion, blowing up two building for no reason was not really along those lines.
If, you have an extreme terrorist movement that uses the term Jihad to fight for something, then, in my opinion, that should not disintegrate the worth of the word itself.
In effect, its he who dies for Islam thats using Jihad, not someone that is using the religion for its own benefits. Islam is quite influential, probably not to you, but throughout history its been used to topple Empires. So to many Muslims, its not something you can instalable as murderous and a breeding ground of hate, because, simply put, its not.


WAIT!~
Before I click submit.

Learn history. He deleted that shortly after he realised that the jews were not converting to Islam. Ever seen a map of the muslim empire? Look better at palestine next time you see one.

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Dude holy freaking **** you went there.

Here's a history. There were people called the Romans. They dominated Eurasia. (excluding India, Middle East, and China if you count it)
The Muslim empire, from the Umayyad clan, after the death of a few Caliphs...
700 CE.
Are we with each other?
The Roman Empire lasts roughly 1000 Years, 500 BCE - 500 CE.
We are so getting there.
But wait! The Byzantine is there, and they control the place till 640.
Its safe to say, that by the time so called 'Palestine' [Modern day Israel] Jews were for the most part exiled/Not in the best conditions
The Umayyad lay their religious claim to the area, and of course are spreading Islam -- They lay siege to the city, not against the Jews but against the Byzantine. 640 CE Omar Ibn Al Khattab lays a Siege to Jerusalem, I think there were like 7 registered cities that accepted rule, agreed to the Jizya (Tax), and for the next 1300 years Palestine (Or the adopted Arab name 'Filastin' was under possession of Islamic rule.

Only problem with this is:
The last Prophet (PBUH) did not conquer Palestine in his lifetime, Another fail on you. So obviously the 'co-operational treaties' were in effect until then.

History lesson over.

Oh and PS: The only fights between Jews and Muslims that ever took place during Pre-Imperial Islamic times was between a few clans, who, allegedly, according to the Muslims, broke that very treaty.

Gj Class, A+
tomertheking
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okay, I got the definishion of the word Jihad from school, and also the things that Armed_blade had to re-teach me, so sorry.

The point is that history is filled with hatred for the jews.

P.S. What's PBUH?

Bloodscum
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History is filled with hatred of Jews, true, but it has also been filled with hatred for so many other groups. Even within the ranks of the Muslim Ummah there is sometimes hatred between Sunnis and Shias (Sunni is the majority sect and Shia is another sect) There has been hatred between Catholics and Protestants.

My point is that we should forget these past animosities and concentrate on a better future.

Oh, and to answer your first question, PBUH is the short form for Peace Be Upon Him. In Arabic, it is Sallalahu Alaihi Wassalam.

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