ForumsWEPR[necro]Creator? Big Bang? Or God??

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batistarocks6969
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well if any of u r familiar with the law of conservation and mass, then u know that it states that matter cannot be created from nothing, or completely destroyed. so evolutionists say this, then turn around and say the big bang created the universe as we know it. WTF!!?!?!?!the universe went from non existent to existent in a fraction of a nanosecond! and where did the bigbang come from? nothing? nope, because if the law of conservation and mass is true, then the bigbang isnt. simple...

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pk2015
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i think god created the universe and that scientists just wanna make a theory of how evereything happened just to make themselves feel better

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i think god created the universe and that scientists just wanna make a theory of how evereything happened just to make themselves feel better


I used to think opinions couldn't be wrong. Now I know they can be.

Your perception of science is twisted so much I can't help you. Science means gathering facts about the world and trying to explain things through those facts. Religion ignores the facts and creates conjecture. How could scientists just be trying to make themselves feel better by trying to figure out how the Universe started? Even if God did create the Universe, the scientists would be researching the science behind how he did it, and what happened, and all of that.

Please do us a favor and leave the WEPR until you have enough correct information in your head to hold a decent argument without spewing out misinformed and ignorant posts like you just did.
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i think god created the universe and that scientists just wanna make a theory of how evereything happened just to make themselves feel better


Let me correct you:

i think the big bang created the universe and that clergymen just wana make a story of how everything happened juust to make themselves feel richer
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If you never question your own arguments how can you ever be sure what you're arguing is correct?

Why should I go into an argument questioning my belief? That would be lack of faith and distrust of God in my part. I can understand questioning science cause science can't.. punish you? lol
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Why should I go into an argument questioning my belief? That would be lack of faith and distrust of God in my part. I can understand questioning science cause science can't.. punish you? lol


So you don't question God because your afraid? What sort of all loving being would punish his children for asking a question?
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So you don't question God because your afraid? What sort of all loving being would punish his children for asking a question?

He is so powerful that we need to fear him. If we don't fear Him then we don't really trust him or believe him. But thats just my belief. Annd not for asking questions, but question my own faith is wrong. Though I doubt, which is wrong I know. Not necessarily afraid, but I guess you can say that.
MageGrayWolf
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He is so powerful that we need to fear him. If we don't fear Him then we don't really trust him or believe him.


Well I guess this confirms the battered wife syndrome of Christianity.

Set Yourself Free

Annd not for asking questions, but question my own faith is wrong.


So it's wrong to question something if you have no proof of it? I know you feel that he is real, but that isn't proof that he is real. That is simply an emotional bias and emotions can often be misread.

So why is questioning faith so wrong?
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So you don't question God because your afraid? What sort of all loving being would punish his children for asking a question?

He is so powerful that we need to fear him. If we don't fear Him then we don't really trust him or believe him. But thats just my belief. Annd not for asking questions, but question my own faith is wrong. Though I doubt, which is wrong I know. Not necessarily afraid, but I guess you can say that.


Perhaps Dubness is refering to reverential fear of the triune God.
God wants us to ask Him questions, that's what we,(believers) call prayer. 1 Thessalonians 5:16-25 tells us that we are to (17)...&quotray continually, (18) give thanks (or, pray, say His name, sing) in all circumstances...(21) Test everything."

Personally, verse 21 tells me that we are supposed to embrace scientific research. It's just that we are to pray for God's wisdom in matters that we don't understand, or, can't "test".
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He is so powerful that we need to fear him. If we don't fear Him then we don't really trust him or believe him.


God kinda sounds like Stalin. Both need to induce intense fear to their subjects to make them loyal. Both will kill you if you disagree. So essentially, you worship a cruel and oppressive dictator. In Machiavelli's Prince, He says that a king should be feared by his subjects, not loved. If A king tries to makes his subjects love him, then they are in control of him. And everyone knows, that a king should never be controlled by mere peasants. God doesn't want you to be in control of him. Instead of earning our love and affections by actually doing something nice for humanity, He choose Stalin's path and just send everyone to Hell.

but question my own faith is wrong.

If 100% of people were like you, we would still be living in the Dark Ages. Innovation is a must-have for humans. It comes from questioning old traditions and beliefs and improving upon them. This can be applied to government as well. If people just followed leaders like sheep, then democracy would cease to exist and consequently, we would have monarchy that would probably infringe our rights to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
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Well I guess this confirms the battered wife syndrome of Christianity.

Up until the late '60's, you are probably correct. Men had the "right" to treat/mistreat their wife any way they wanted and it was legal.
I was hoping for the song from Paul Simon..."Just hop on the bus, Gus; make a new plan, Stan; just drop off the key, Lee; and set yourself free!" Oh well.
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(21) Test everything."


Your right
KJ Bible 1 Thessalonians 5:21 "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."

So prove God exists. According to the Bible your apparently suppose to do just that.

It's just that we are to pray for God's wisdom in matters that we don't understand, or, can't "test".


There in is the problem more often then not the voice in your head tells you one thing and the proof tells you another.

If God is real then in these cases God is deceptive as such should not be trusted no matter how you look at it. If the voice in your head is right then the physical evidence placed by God is the deception by God. If the physical evidence is right then that voice in your head you think is God is being deceptive and lying to you.
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God kinda sounds like Stalin. Both need to induce intense fear to their subjects to make them loyal. Both will kill you if you disagree.

God will kill me? How do you know that? I never said it.
If 100% of people were like you, we would still be living in the Dark Ages. Innovation is a must-have for humans. It comes from questioning old traditions and beliefs and improving upon them. This can be applied to government as well. If people just followed leaders like sheep, then democracy would cease to exist and consequently, we would have monarchy that would probably infringe our rights to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

I never said I don't, because I do question my faith at times. I just said it was wrong to do so in previous posts. please read.
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God will kill me? How do you know that? I never said it.


What he means is, as in he will send you to hell if you don't agree with him. Agreeing with him as in becoming faithful in him.

I think an eternity in heaven is plenty of time to learn about our god. Why not wait until then to start the faithfulness? Why should God punish us, even those that have never even heard of Christianity, even those that are too young or too mentally inept to understand it? Do THEY go to hell as well? Do they get punished for ignorance?
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even those that are too young or too mentally inept to understand it? Do THEY go to hell as well? Do they get punished for ignorance?


Old joke: A priest and an eskimo are sitting at a bar. The priest is telling the eskimo all about God and how great he is and how if you don't believe in him you'll go to hell...etc. After the priest was done the eskimo looked at him and asked "If I never knew about all this would I go to hell?" The priest say "No, of course not" To which the eskimo replies "Then why did you tell me?"
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[]If God is real then in these cases God is deceptive as such should not be trusted no matter how you look at it. If the voice in your head is right then the physical evidence placed by God is the deception by God. If the physical evidence is right then that voice in your head you think is God is being deceptive and lying to you.


Let me see if I understand:
James a brother of Jesus said in 1:5,"If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and will give it to him.
There is a condition that James explains in verse 6),"...he must believe and not doubt, because he who doubts is like the wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. 7) That man should not think he will receive anything from the Lord; 8) he is a double-minded man, unstable in all he does."
James goes into greater detail in Chapter 3 by explaining the definition of genuine wisdom vs immature wisdom.

God kinda sounds like Stalin. Both need to induce intense fear to their subjects to make them loyal. Both will kill you if you disagree. So essentially, you worship a cruel and oppressive dictator. In Machiavelli's Prince, He says that a king should be feared by his subjects, not loved. If A king tries to makes his subjects love him, then they are in control of him. And everyone knows, that a king should never be controlled by mere peasants. God doesn't want you to be in control of him. Instead of earning our love and affections by actually doing something nice for humanity, He choose Stalin's path and just send everyone to Hell.


In Matthew in Chapter 13, starting with verse 10, Jesus' disciples asked Him why he spoke to the crowds in parables?
11) "He replied, "' The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you(disciples), but not them(crowd). 13)... Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing they donot hear or understand. 15)... For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn,
and I would heal them.
Jesus continues by defining the parable of the sower in verses 18-23.

By contrast:

Stalin, Hitler & Mussolini were all men who grossly forced their power over the people of their respective countries. According to the dictionary:
Stalin: communist, general secretary of the Communist Party of the Societ Union 1922-53. In 1928, he lanched a succession of five-year plans for rapid industrialization and the enforced collectivization of agriculture. Or, abolishing private ownership of individual farms; all farms would be organized by the State. His large-scale purges of the intelligentsia in the 1930's were equally ruthless.

Hitler: fascist, co-founded the National Socialist German Workers' (Nazi) Party in 1919, wrote Mein Kampf (1925), explaining his political agenda, while in prison; established the totalitarian Thirs Reich in 1933 while chancellor of Germany 1933-45. Not to mention his expansionist foreign policy that precipitated WWII, while his fanatical anti-Semitism led to the Holocaust.

Mussolini: fascist, prime minister 1922-43, known as Il Duce,(the leader). Founded the Italian Facist Party in 1919, entered WWII on Germany's side in 1940. He was captured and executed by Itlaian communist partisans a few weeks before the end of WWII.

communism: a political theory derived from Karl Marx. advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs. The most familiar form of it was established by the Bolsheviks after the Russian Revolution of 1917, is generally understood as the same system practiced by the former USSR and its allies in eastern Europe, in China since 1949, and in some developing countries such as Cuba, Vietnam, and North Korea. It embraced a revolutionary ideology in which the state would wither away after the overthrow of the capitalist system. In practice, however, the state grew to control all aspects of communist society. Communism in eastern Europe collapsed in the late 1980's and early 1990's against a background of failure to meet people's economic expectations, a shift to more democracy in political life, and increasing nationalism such as that which led to the breakup of the USSR.

fascism: an authoritarian and nationlist right-wing system of government and social organization.
The term Fascism was first used of the totalitarian right-wing nationalist regime of Mussolini in Italy (1922-43), and the regimes of the Nazis in Germany and Franco in Spain were also fascist. Fascism tends to include a belief in the spremacy of one national or ethnic group, a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach.

socialism: The term "socialism" has been used to describe positions as far apart as anarchism, Soviet state communism, and social democracy; however, it neccessarily implies an opposition to the untrammeled workings of the economic market. The socialist parties that have arisen in most European countries from the late 19th century have generally tended toward social democracy.

democracy: a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representative:
a state governed in such a way,
control of an organization or group by the majority of its members,
the practice or principles of social equality.

capitalism: an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.
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