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When hurricane katrina hit, no one in haiti lifted a finger...

You trollin.

Is America simply wealthy because it has harder working people?

Better government, flaws and all.

The communists would argue that capitalism inherently creates monopolies and requires the state to protect property which gives rise to imperialism.

Communism is a monopoly. The government owns everything. You said before that the people would own everything, but someone has to "hold" the business, the government or military.

Alright, so you named a few monopolies, but Freakenstein proved that not every corporation is a monopoly. You COULD change capitalism to communism to get rid of those monopolies, or you could do the more logical thing and have the government force those companies to limit the amount of oil they can buy. Both would cause quite a stir, but there are other solutions.

Oh, and did I forget to mention that communism is the biggest monopoly that could possibly exist? The government would own everything. People wouldn't be able to own their own business because someone has to give business owners their pay/hours.

Canada

Very wrong. Read the quote below.

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During the 18th century, the British-French struggle in Canada intensified as the rivalry between the mother countries worsened in Europe. As concerns grew, the French government poured more and more military spending into its North American colonies. Expensive garrisons were maintained at distant fur trading posts, the fortifications of Quebec City were improved and augmented, and a new fortified town was built on the east coast of Ãle Royale, or Cape Breton Islandâ"the fortress of Louisbourg, the so-called "Dunkirk of the North."
Three times during the 18th century, the French and English North American colonies found themselves at war with one another.

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Sorry for such an extensive quote. Its from Wikipedia!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Canada

Even before that in the 17th century there was much dispute over Canadian settlements between the English and the French. Though Canada was never the one to really 'secede' out of its ruling state and is still part of the British commonwealth, there is no doubt the place was not built on war and was almost always associated as part of the 'New World' politics between major powers in Europe. Canadian colonization has been peaceful due to European desire to take more land down south in America, more population down there, and just historical turn of events. There is no doubt though that Canada has a long standing history of military history, however short it may be. Its quite easy to notice that for the first century of settlement Canada was quite the fight out.
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Name a country that wasn't built on war. I agree that America should concentrate more on her own economy than foreign affairs, but it doesn't make capitalism the devil.

Haha, Well -- I don't see capitalism as the devil. Yet in instances like Drace's view of America, he finds it to be the means of control. Which it most certainly is, but is capitalism really to blame or America's politics? It can most certainly back the F off and stick to partying in capitalist society.
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NOTREALLYMONOPOLIESDAWG

Sorry for the crazy name, but if your going to call America out for being wealthy as ****, you've got to realize that just because companies are big and have their name out lots it doesn't keep them out of the picture. At least, some.

1) EXXONMOBIL. Where did the "e" come from???

Look at #1 and #7 on the list, 7 being Chevron. Half of ExxonMobil's revenue = Chevron Corp. Definitely not a monopoly if Chevron is making such a progress in oil and gas production, huh?
ConocoPhillips comes as #11 out of the American companies! Oil and Gas is big buisness, buddy. I don't think its been monopolized yet, unless you look at OPEC

I will argue against Microsoft, as well. They over time, due to their popularity, have not totally destroyed and monopolized all other aspects of the computer market but instead just been very successful and their is no law against success. Mac computers are very new in aspect to others, and they, just a few years back, sucked hardball and were used in schools so kids wouldn't be able to use Google. Many schools are actually jumping BACK to Microsoft XP and HP computers, like mine did.
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I forgot Walmart!

*insert every other super market, regional market, and county markets in existence*

But now that I think about it....what does this have to do with the topic again? lol

As for Wal-mart, that is definitely a monopoly, but you can't really monopolize retailing? Its just power in big business, I'd presume. So hard to classify :S

Freakenstein, Money means everything. [Aside from love, religion, all other mush, etc.].

I'll give a rather dumb but point making example.
1) China goes on puppy killing rampage from orders of the government
2) You, somehow the CEO of Walmart don't like it.
3) Millions of people work for Walmart in countries like china [whether its ethically right or not]
4) You HATE PUPPY KILLING
5) You tell them all Walmart like things will be moved out of the country unless your puppy attacks quit.
6) Puppy killing stops.

Now its not that simple, but capital means power. Power means control. Or as Drace would call it, Imperialism.
After all, time and time again do we hear people complain about lobbyists changing the minds of men we elect.

Also, De Beers is so international it holds diamonds everywhere just buy property rights. Hard to call it out, too.
In fact, imo the laws that define monopolization were never changed since for ever, and modern industries can find easy loopholes.

I mean... you never see 'Crayola' on colored pencils... Its all 'Rose Art' :'(

Im just saying, we do so much and get less back.

What kind of attitude is that?
You are trolling.
Haiti is the poorest country in the western hemisphere, what the F do you expect? They start building New Orleans with two cents and a shovel?

Better government, flaws and all.

So all the African nations have bad government, all the Latin Americans have bad government. But the US has good government.

Good at what?

And Im not gonna start on the communism vs capitalism thing again, so lets ignore that All I tried to do is state the different opinions on monopolies, hence including the lassiez-faire capitalists.

De Beers is so international it holds diamonds everywhere just buy property rights. Hard to call it out, too.

Sorry, they used to be a giant monopoly in the last century. Apparently they lost their power over the diamond trade recently.

After all, time and time again do we hear people complain about lobbyists changing the minds of men we elect.

Social hegemony.

Though I feel like the whole topic is going the wrong direction. Why are we discussing monopolies again?

So I figured we were going on to argue whether its right for these big businesses to exist and exert their control over the world with their economic control

Then my stance would be HELL NO. Though I am more concerned about the political intervention, even though it may be driven by the economic factors.

Big business always has control over things like OUR Government.

As well as the mass media. Michael Parenti and Noam Chomsky have written much about this.

My stance is the same with it, but America's stance is rather lenient.

By this, you mean the US government plays little role in economic and political intervention in other countries?

3) Millions of people work for Walmart in countries like china [whether its ethically right or not]

Wal-mart has a little over 2 million employees world wide and 1.4 million of them are in the USA. I just started working for them part time but the instant I can find another job I am going to GTFO.

By this, you mean the US government plays little role in economic and political intervention in other countries?

This cannot be true.

The United Statesian Empire sticks its nose wherever it feels like, always breeding sorrow, misery, poverty instability and desperation in its wake.

There are countless examples of this.

What I want to know is, why must they continue policing the globe if they want peace???

The aim of the many terrorists in the middle east and south asia is to get rid of the U.S from their native countries. I agree.

See, it's like this. Imagine a room full of people. In the corner stands an American. In the middle, a man is making an angry speech, full of invective against this American, telling the people to attack him.

If the American leaves, then the whole speech would be pointless, right? What you have to remember is that terrorists are people too, people driven to desperation because of poverty or revenge, which in my part of the world is almost always related, directly or indirectly, to the U.S

So I agree with terrorists on one point.
US, GTFO OUT OF OUR COUNTRIES!!!!

People say that we learn from history. I say thats a lie.

Blood, we are not in YOUR country. That is why the terrorists retreat there. How many of them have you guys caught again?????

It starts with drone attacks.

My country, Pakistan, has experienced a bombing of its Northern villages by drones (U.S, obviously) on the basis that there are 'terrorists' there.

Soon, US marines will be chasing 'terrorists' through our Northern passes, entering our country. This is how it begins, my friend.

Also, I consider the people of any Muslim country to be my brothers and sisters. Therefore, I could describe it any Muslim country as my country.