The so called "Evil" antagonist of the Bible. The question comes to this: Why is he the evil one? He killed a mere ten people in the Bible, possibly more to around fifty at most, while God, the supposed good one, killed billions. The only "negative" thing he did was rebel against god, but it was a just rebel. Who would want to live under that tyrant?
So the question comes down to: Why do Christians think Satan is evil?
Yet i notice most of the bigger numerical amounts were estimated... More like guessed, since there is no way of actually being able to predict the amount, or even give a so called estimate. Not to mention the grand total even with all these possibly outrageous amounts still total 25 million.. Not even close to a billion. As i've done before, you can easily take one thing and exceed it to make it deem outrageous and extremely biased...
Well some of the more accurate Biblical estimates still do have the numbers in the millions. But if we are to say that God has everyone die because of what Adam and Eve did then we can place in part all death on God's shoulders, putting the numbers in the billions maybe more.
Care to explain this, because as far as I can see, god created sin, therefore its gods own doing. And if we are all "sons of god" then isnt he just punishing himself. Your reasoning is nice, but the logic behind your thinking is blind faith that your beliefs are correct above everything.
I dont think you are being very open minded about this as you have decided in your head that humanity deserves to be punished because of adam and eve. Why would god create everything with a system that sent some of us to hell for being bad,that he created by the way, since he created sin and created the circumstance to have a hell and allowed some of us to return to heaven, essentially returning to ourself. Sounds like detox to me. Cold heartless detox.
You have the choice to go to heaven. God has offered it to everyone. All you need to do is accept it.
Die on your feet or live on your knees huh?
Hahaaa, no. Ever heard of capital punishment? It's like a court system: you try to kill God, and you have no reason to. The court judges that you should die. Make sense now? Good job, kid! You're really getting smart now! Not.
I see capital punishment is a flawed system. One I wouldn't expect a being who is suppose to be above such things would use. This also doesn't work for all or even most of the murders God has committed.
The wife didn't, but humans do.
That's for proving my point there.
Irrelevant. God didn't use abusive language. Rather, he kindly offered up his own son to save us. A wife beater curses, whereas God gently provides a solution, which, in fact, hurts him and not us, since he's the one losing his own Son.
Really threatening the entire human race with death is providing a gentle solution?
Wife Beater: "Now honey, this hurts me more than you"
Wrong again. God gave them a chance to change their ways before flood. Heck, he tried as hard as he could. He tried and tried, but they wouldn't listen. Sucks for them. They had their chance.
I don't recall the point in the story where he does that but any still doesn't change anything.
The wife does deserve better because she's being wrongly abused, but we don't. Just another reason why your comparison to a wife beater and his wife is irrelevant and completely unfitting. We don't deserve any better than what God gives us. We deserve less.
Yeah because someone in an abusive relationship think they don't deserve any better.
or say things like "I don't deserve any better than what my husband gives me. I deserve less."
God admonishes us throughout our lives, and lets us try again. He tries to help us, and tries get us out of the crap we're in, but some of us refuse.
Because significant fewer bad things happen to Christians then non Christians.
All I'm saying is, you don't wanna go to hell, then become a Christian. If you don't want to become a Christian, I've already tried to warn you.
Or in other words. "God: Love me, OR I'LL KILL YOUR B%^%$ @$$!"
Why shouldn't we love him? Do you have a reason to hate him?
LOL^^
Maybe because of things like...
Christians want to avoid the punishment which God has condemned us to.
This God of yours often come across as a blood thirsty, petty, tyrant.
There's no "kills"
God doesn't kill us at first.
Way to contradict yourself there.
Considering the punishment for most of this disobedience is death my point stands.
Then I suggest that you, in your own words, be more "open minded." A taste of your own medicine, doctor.
When you say open minded do you mean ignoring the parts that has God killing people on masses?
God created us, and to see us rebel like we do is painful for him, but he isn't punishing himself when we choose to go to hell.
I've heard many times here that hell is defined as the complete lack of God. So if that being the case how could he go to hell?
MageGrayWolf, I would take the time to debunk every weak response you just gave me, but I really gotta go.
Weak huh? Considering I was able to use your own words to disprove you I would hardly call it all that weak. But considering how you seem to go through your religion with your eyes closed I'm not at all surprised you would think that.
Don't try and tell me you'd live die on your feet.
I've heard many times here that hell is defined as the complete lack of God. So if that being the case how could he go to hell?
Whaa..?
Weak huh? Considering I was able to use your own words to disprove you I would hardly call it all that weak. But considering how you seem to go through your religion with your eyes closed I'm not at all surprised you would think that.
I'd be all "You're just running away"
Be careful going through religion with your eyes closed you might hit a Jesus on accident
Many theist state that there idea of hell is that it is painful because it lacks god. There are many things that are against it, but I don't think you wished for those.
Many theist state that there idea of hell is that it is painful because it lacks god. There are many things that are against it, but I don't think you wished for those.
Yep. The one I will give as an example is that the mythical god is omnipresent, meaning if he was not in an aria he would not be omnipresent.
There are a few explanations to this, if you'd bear with me: Technically, God is omnipresent. He is in hell, but we cannot feel or communicate with him, thus the pain of hell. Or, He could be in hell, but he chooses not to. He is still omnipresent, but withholds his presence. Make any sense?
There are a few explanations to this, if you'd bear with me: Technically, God is omnipresent. He is in hell, but we cannot feel or communicate with him, thus the pain of hell. Or, He could be in hell, but he chooses not to. He is still omnipresent, but withholds his presence. Make any sense?
Yes, from a Christian standpoint, but he would still withhold himself from atheist such as I and people of other religions, so shouldn't we also feel pain all the time?
No, as Moegreche stated so eloquently in another thread, God presents himself to you every day. It's just whether you choose to see him or not.
Using Christian logic, you are correct. But in actual logic, a flower is just a flower. It is not some word of god.
While I am on this topic, why did god need a cloud, burning bush, or dreams to speak to human in the Bible but now a flower is considered him speaking?
I must admit I had not planned on getting into a debate.
Using Christian logic, you are correct. But in actual logic, a flower is just a flower. It is not some word of god.
Actual logic? Surely you mean Atheist Logic. And on the side, a flower could be a sign of God's beauty and creativity, or just a flower. Your choice. Anything you want can be a sign of God. That's the beauty of it.
While I am on this topic, why did god need a cloud, burning bush, or dreams to speak to human in the Bible but now a flower is considered him speaking?
Because, dear 314d1, Moses was as close minded as I respectfully observe you to be. He refused to look at the flower and see God in it, so he had to use larger measures. And, I hardly find a flower to specifically be a sign to lead an entire ethnicity out of slavery
While I am on this topic, why did god need a cloud, burning bush, or dreams to speak to human in the Bible but now a flower is considered him speaking?
You can ask Him in prayer if you want. But really this is small details that don't mean crap, maybe to atheists it means the world! But for a religous person God could be speaking through a cow or some snow and as long as he's God it's all good. Yay God! Boo devil
