The so called "Evil" antagonist of the Bible. The question comes to this: Why is he the evil one? He killed a mere ten people in the Bible, possibly more to around fifty at most, while God, the supposed good one, killed billions. The only "negative" thing he did was rebel against god, but it was a just rebel. Who would want to live under that tyrant?
So the question comes down to: Why do Christians think Satan is evil?
Umm... there is only one form of logic, and there is no way to legitimately apply it to religion in any form. Any argument on the subject is inherently without logic as there is nothing that can be observed, tested, measured, or proven.
Umm... there is only one form of logic, and there is no way to legitimately apply it to religion in any form. Any argument on the subject is inherently without logic as there is nothing that can be observed, tested, measured, or proven.
I must admit I had not planned on getting into a debate.
That is what you get for coming on a debate forum... Feel free to stay off.
Actual logic? Surely you mean Atheist Logic. And on the side, a flower could be a sign of God's beauty and creativity, or just a flower. Your choice. Anything you want can be a sign of God. That's the beauty of it.
The beauty of it is that it changes from person to person, that it has no proof behind it, and that it is illogical in every way? And may I ask what the parasites burrowing into a child's eye is saying from god?
Because, dear 314d1, Moses was as close minded as I respectfully observe you to be. He refused to look at the flower and see God in it, so he had to use larger measures. And, I hardly find a flower to specifically be a sign to lead an entire ethnicity out of slavery
True, yet that is not the only case of it happening. He has spoken to his favorites, the chosen people, in several ways, though usually threw prophets.
And you mentioned slavery, could you be specific? There are a dozen instances were the Jewish people were enslaved, mostly as punishment by there all loving god. In most cases they slaughtered the people and escaped...
But since you mentioned Moses I will assume you are meaning the most famous one, the Egyptian.
Witch brings me to a separate question, strange how the mind makes these connections, how did the Egyptian sorcerers mimic Moses's first several plagues without the use of God or Satan?
You can ask Him in prayer if you want. But really this is small details that don't mean crap, maybe to atheists it means the world! But for a religous person God could be speaking through a cow or some snow and as long as he's God it's all good. Yay God! Boo devil
How about you speak to him thew the parasite in the child in Africa's eye?
Small details mean the most to scientist and detectives. There are many cases in the fictional yet realistic story Sherlock Holmes. For example, one time a man was framing another for his death. Holmes had found no clues, but the next day the man trying to frame the other put bloody fingerprints were you would expect them. Holmes noticed this small change that gave him all the proof he needed, he found the man hiding in his house. I will not get into detail, unless you ask, about the rest.
Main Entry: log·ic Pronunciation: \\Ëlä-jik\\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English logik, from Anglo-French, from Latin logica, from Greek logikÄ", from feminine of logikos of reason, from logos reason â" more at legend Date: 12th century
1 a (1) : a science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration : the science of the formal principles of reasoning (2) : a branch or variety of logic <modal logic> <Boolean logic> (3) : a branch of semiotic; especially : syntactics (4) : the formal principles of a branch of knowledge b (1) : a particular mode of reasoning viewed as valid or faulty (2) : relevance, propriety c : interrelation or sequence of facts or events when seen as inevitable or predictable d : the arrangement of circuit elements (as in a computer) needed for computation; also : the circuits themselves
Based on the definition of logic there is NOTHING LOGICAL about religion, or debating the subject, as religion deals purely with that which cannot be proven by empirical evidence or demonstration which can be repeated and verified as to it's validity. There is no "Atheist Logic" or "Christian Logic" or any such BS. All there is faith or lack thereof, and any debate on the topic of faith is illogical.
Actual logic? Surely you mean Atheist Logic. And on the side, a flower could be a sign of God's beauty and creativity, or just a flower. Your choice. Anything you want can be a sign of God. That's the beauty of it.
I saw this really smelly sign of God in my toilet a few hours ago. I'm pretty sure it was God saying Hidee Ho.
Mean any sign like that?
Because, dear 314d1, Moses was as close minded as I respectfully observe you to be.
When was using reason and facts closed minded?
You can ask Him in prayer if you want.
I've tried praying and my screw driver answered more prayers then God. It's also been a lot more practical in real world applications.
Well, encase, you have not noticed, anyone who does not follow a religion are generally shunned and criticized, the whole Satan thing is just a metaphor, taken up several levels of extremity.
That is what you get for coming on a debate forum... Feel free to stay off.
Fair enough. However I made an observation (I think) then kind of got dragged in.
The beauty of it is that it changes from person to person, that it has no proof behind it, and that it is illogical in every way? And may I ask what the parasites burrowing into a child's eye is saying from god?
Illogical? To some one who very simply will not see it, yes. That parasite? It is saying the same thing as cancer and pain and death; blessed are those who suffer.
True, yet that is not the only case of it happening. He has spoken to his favorites, the chosen people, in several ways, though usually threw prophets.
And you mentioned slavery, could you be specific? There are a dozen instances were the Jewish people were enslaved, mostly as punishment by there all loving god. In most cases they slaughtered the people and escaped...
And if you can recall, those prophets were beaten, mocked and killed.
As to the Jews, could you give me a few examples of them being imprisoned by God? I don't seem to recall.
Witch brings me to a separate question, strange how the mind makes these connections, how did the Egyptian sorcerers mimic Moses's first several plagues without the use of God or Satan?
Why do you keep switching questions? Either I could assert I am satisfying your formers, or you are disappointed with your argument of the formers. If not, then let us stay on topic until it is resolved. But to answer your question anyway, these priests as you say attempted quite furtively to duplicate the more divine ones, but were unsuccessful. For example, in reference to the frogs, they could gather a bunch and set them free, claiming to their god. But they could not make fire fall from the sky, nor darkness cover the land, etc.
1 a (1) : a science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration : the science of the formal principles of reasoning (2) : a branch or variety of logic <modal logic> <Boolean logic> (3) : a branch of semiotic; especially : syntactics (4) : the formal principles of a branch of knowledge b (1) : a particular mode of reasoning viewed as valid or faulty (2) : relevance, propriety c : interrelation or sequence of facts or events when seen as inevitable or predictable d : the arrangement of cir
Sorry Walker I missed you bud. Let's start with the first sentence; A science that deals with principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration. As I have stated, I have God's love and power demonstrated to me every day. As for atheism, many on this site agree God cannot solely be disproved, so if He cannot be disproved, then there is no facts or events to disprove him, making atheism illogical. This of course as a whole is false, but an example of the fickle sway of "logic" as it were. As for relevance, I must draw upon a generic yet tried point for religious folk; What relevance do atheists have for the creation of earth?
Illogical? To some one who very simply will not see it, yes. That parasite? It is saying the same thing as cancer and pain and death; blessed are those who suffer.
It sounds more like something the Christians came up with to explain the parasites...
GOD: Umm ya. Sorry that you were poor, and about that parasite in your eye... *Nervous laugh*... So enter the fancy gates.....
As to the Jews, could you give me a few examples of them being imprisoned by God? I don't seem to recall.
Judges 4:2 And the LORD sold them into the hand of Jabin king of Canaan, that reigned in Hazor; the captain of whose host was Sisera, which dwelt in Harosheth of the Gentiles.
And that was just one of many...
Historically, yes, the prophets were mocked and beaten, but Biblical they preformed impossible feats, sent bears after kids who mocked them, and divinely killed people who beat them.
Why do you keep switching questions? Either I could assert I am satisfying your formers, or you are disappointed with your argument of the formers. If not, then let us stay on topic until it is resolved. But to answer your question anyway, these priests as you say attempted quite furtively to duplicate the more divine ones, but were unsuccessful. For example, in reference to the frogs, they could gather a bunch and set them free, claiming to their god. But they could not make fire fall from the sky, nor darkness cover the land, etc.
Mostly because I am board and its midnight, my mind wanders. And you would probably answer nearly the same thing if I argued the point more, I am able to make my point well enough in a small paragraph.
GOD: Umm ya. Sorry that you were poor, and about that parasite in your eye... *Nervous laugh*... So enter the fancy gates.....
Eh if that's what you think that's fine. As long as you're free of said parasite.
Historically, yes, the prophets were mocked and beaten, but Biblical they preformed impossible feats, sent bears after kids who mocked them, and divinely killed people who beat them.
I hate to make you do so much work, but if you could give me some examples of said bear chasing and divine smiting :P
Mostly because I am board and its midnight, my mind wanders. And you would probably answer nearly the same thing if I argued the point more, I am able to make my point well enough in a small paragraph.
Truthfully, If I am not able to make myself clear, there is nothing for it but to rephrase it.
I hate to make you do so much work, but if you could give me some examples of said bear chasing and divine smiting :P
Easily.
Kings 2:23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. Kings 2:24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
