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th100
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I saw this Call of Duty: Black Ops trailer in which a sniper gets bombed after a remote controlled model car strapped with a bomb device (cute, ain't it?) got him. So I'm confused now. Are snipers supposed to camp?

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ToYSoLDiieR
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I've noticed that people who typically hardscope tend to stick to the back of the maps or camp, while the people that typically quickscope walk a bit around the map without having to stay crouched or prone in a single spot until the death.

Larmus
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For snipers to be effective, yes, they do have to camp. But I hated campers all my life.

2and2makes3
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Snipers can camp but they dont always have to camp in one place. camping in loads of different spots on a map makes it bearable.

Highfire
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I've noticed that people who typically hardscope tend to stick to the back of the maps or camp, while the people that typically quickscope walk a bit around the map without having to stay crouched or prone in a single spot until the death.

Hehe not all hardscopers hide in one place, I often move around after each kill to avoid flanking and detection, it proves much easier and more annoying to people who can't hold their anger :P

For snipers to be effective, yes, they do have to camp. But I hated campers all my life.

Based on what you're saying, you're either a terrible sniper or a terrible hypocrite? :P Are you a good sniper?

Snipers can camp but they dont always have to camp in one place. camping in loads of different spots on a map makes it bearable.

Yes and 2+2=3 you say, stupid -.-

jk :P

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snipershot325
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Wow...I would know!I am a sniper!

BWHAHAHAHAHAHA

....

Maybe...

Muse2223
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Not just that, but shooting the Intervention requires a device to calculate:
Location on the Planet
Wind Power
Wind Direction
And I also think time and date
All these because they add up to the accuracy on the Intervention, it shoots so far you need to take in the fact of earths orbit.


Any rifles shooting at extremely long distances have to do this, not just the Intervention.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_Effect

There's also a fairly modified M4A1 gun called the Beowulf (no, seriously), it shoots 50. rounds (and stood up) at a rapid fire rate, and is also quite small for personal defense and escorts or some urban combat (would easily penetrate a wall).


.50 Beowulf isn't the same type of round used in a Barret .50 cal, just so you're aware. A lot of people seem to make that mistake. .50 Beowulf can be compared to .50 AE, the pistol round used in the DEAGLE LOLOLOLOL.
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Anybody and everybody can camp or not. In COD: MW2 i ran around with my sniper and quick-scoped people left and right which gave me more kills than camping. It's your decision and i hope you make the right one because nobody likes campers.

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oh yeah

Highfire
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Any rifles shooting at extremely long distances have to do this, not just the Intervention.


Whilst fairly obvious, I have no knowledge of a weapon that can effectively fire the distance of an Intervention :P
Please, make an example, I'd like to know :P (then again the Intervention can shoot just under the range of the furthest sniper kill known in real life, so I suppose it's more than probable).

.50 Beowulf isn't the same type of round used in a Barret .50 cal, just so you're aware. A lot of people seem to make that mistake. .50 Beowulf can be compared to .50 AE, the pistol round used in the DEAGLE LOLOLOLOL.

Again, kind of obvious :P
I knew the Desert Eagle, M95 and Beowulf had different rounds, thanks

oh yeah

More info or get lost, bloody spamming idiot.

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Muse2223
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Please, make an example, I'd like to know :P (then again the Intervention can shoot just under the range of the furthest sniper kill known in real life, so I suppose it's more than probable).


Barret M82 and the L96 are the closest competitors to the M200.

"British Army CoH Craig Harrison of the Household Cavalry successfully engaged two Taliban machine gunners south of Musa Qala in Helmand Province in Afghanistan in November 2009 at a range of 2,475 m (2,707 yd), using a L115A3 Long Range Rifle rifle chambered in .338 Lapua Magnum. These are the longest recorded and confirmed sniper kills in history."

Using this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L115A3

Those two kills were beyond the effective range of the Cheytac M200.

Again, kind of obvious :P


You have no idea
sephirath007
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well i camp in halo 3 and anyone in my sight gets headshotted

Highfire
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Barret M82 and the L96 are the closest competitors to the M200.
"British Army CoH Craig Harrison of the Household Cavalry successfully engaged two Taliban machine gunners south of Musa Qala in Helmand Province in Afghanistan in November 2009 at a range of 2,475 m (2,707 yd), using a L115A3 Long Range Rifle rifle chambered in .338 Lapua Magnum. These are the longest recorded and confirmed sniper kills in history."

Thank you for the info, I believe the Intervention M200 can fire up to 2,400 yards roughly, I haven't looked it up in a while and I don't remember quite a lot :P
Barrett M86, a previous version or something to that effect of the M95? (Has to be a different version, given a much higher range).

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Goddamn gun nuts...........knowing more than me is not cool.



I'd like to say that it depends on the game, but the whole idea for the sniping class in any game is long distance engagement. There's a reason your class has a scope. But that also depends on the game, in most battlefield games, the roll of the sniper is mostly recon, but they can also be used to eliminate high value targets: Medics, Other Snipers, Dudes whoring MG nests, but also for keeping tabs on the enemy for your team (BC2 Spotting Scope).
In MW2, you can get away with quickscoping, but that just ruins the point of having a sniper rifle.You are severely crippling yourself in short-medium fights, but you can still manage thanks to the balancing done on the game. This is the problem with putting snipers on small maps in fast paced shooters.

Back to the main question: Are snipers supposed to camp.
In a game like MW2, It is acceptable to camp as a sniper seeing as how you have one of the biggest disadvantages in the game, but camping in the same spot for too long often gets you revenge knifed, counter sniped or the dreaded Predator hellfire missle headshot.


extra: On consoles, most of those who quickscope on mw2 are abusing 2 things: the damage of the sniper rifle and autoaim. On pc, I never saw any quickscoping (mw1) but maybe the way the sniper works are different in the 2 games, but the snipers on pc are very freaking dangerous. I used to be one and after you got used to the sensitivity and the maps, all you needed to do was have someone in your scope for a second, because that's all it took(fast paced shooters). And yes, I was just bashing snipers on consoles........lololololol

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Barrett M86, a previous version or something to that effect of the M95?


Yeah, woops.

According to Wikipedia, the effective range of the M200 is 2000meters
Highfire
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Yeah, woops.
According to Wikipedia, the effective range of the M200 is 2000meters


Ah
My 2 sources are future weapons (YouTube) and Wikipedia for the M200 Intervention, I don't learn exact ranges but the one that stuck with me is that it can shoot over a mile and a half, that. Is. Awesome. :P

And incredibly dangerous.


God**** gun nuts...........knowing more than me is not cool.

I also know 52 gods in Mythology, more than average astronomy for a 13 year old, also have (I think) in-depth knowledge on this historical figures:
Ghanghis Khan
Joan of Arc
El Cid (Compeador)
Saladin
William Wallace

And I am trying to remember another one but I am seriously struggling to, I'll tell you if I do remember :P

More on-topic, the starting post was clearly based on CoD, in Battlefield you would definately have to be far away as the maps are excessively larger and pose a much better enviroment for different classes. Not to mention each of their classes sponsor different traits:
Assault - Sponsors all-round combat effectivenss, a Grenade Launcher (which isn't as OP) that can blow open walls, and can resupply ammo.
Medic - Sponsors heavy fire with LMG's, a Medic Pack which allows healing.
Engineer - Sponsors short-range fire with SMG's, a Repair torch to keep up enemy vehicles and a rocket launcher for deconstruction, assassination and of course, anti-armor.
Recon - Sponsors exceptionally long-range fire with a Sniper, a Scensor allowing the knowledge of enemy locations in close proximity to it, has the ability to call in Mortar Strikes from off the map or can be a saboteur with C4 explosives.

That's Battlefield Bad Company 2, meanwhile in MW2:
Assault - All-round combat effectiveness whoms best known for a "noob-tube" that isn't used often due to being frowned upon.
SMG - Known as rushers or ninjas, some also have Marathon Lightweight and Commando which is also considered nooby, not allowing much stealthy operations unless with a silenced weapon, cold blood and ninja, making them undetectable and only visible in all senses by sight.
LMG - Also known as sprayer noobs, are unnaturally rare, but often carry an explosive device or rocket launcher with them in fights are also known as campers. Again - unnaturally rare.
Sniper - Probably the most used, and most known, the sniper can use a ghillie suit allowing hiding in grass (thus camper or ninja) or hide from a distance picking an enemy off (camper), they lack close range effectiveness except with their secondary weapon, in this case, do not use a close range or explosive secondary weapon.

That's mostly it, I covered the more stereotypical classes of MW2, and it doesn't sound as unique, to be completely honest.
By the way, before you call me bias, no, I am not, having played both I like being a "ninja" but I absolutely hate it that people can't use their special aspects of their class, vastly simplifying it, in BFBC2, you would want to choose a class for a reason, it's not obvious how you kill with each class, except for one... :P Beyond the point, you can kill with various weapons you have, oh two actually (sniper and medic). But their playstyle is different to others in oh-so obvious ways. And honestly, not all CoD games show that, you can see people rushing with assault rifles or people picking off with SMG's (Silenced UMP45 :P ), it's quite rediculous.

Anyway, ranty ranty is going away, good luck to all of you, bye!

P.S BFBC2 people don't complain, at all, they don't talk much either but it's not a problem really :P

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