I was just wondering what everyone else's opinion is. Is it right for the new modern government and certain groups to try and remove God out of things like school, monuments, the pledge of allegiance, etc.?
I just got back from school and I have not really read through all of it lol. How about the pledge? Do you think it is right to take something that has stood there for so long and to take it out now? Personally, I really don't have a religion, I just want everyone else's opinion
It wasn't added to the pledge until the red scare, I would rather have it in its old version than the one it is currently at. Your argument works more for changing it than keeping it.
And even if you were correct, lets say there is a thorn in your side. Would you leave it in just because it has been there for a while?
god has nothing to do with the law in the U.S, but almost all Americans who are religious are christian and I would say that is well over 50% so no.
That's like saying 'over 50% of Americans are caucasian, so whites get to oppress minorities', which is BS.
America is about equality, so we have to take into consideration the other 50% who aren't Christian, and who may be offended by the promotion of a view contrasting with their own.
I just got back from school and I have not really read through all of it lol. How about the pledge? Do you think it is right to take something that has stood there for so long and to take it out now?
"In God We Trust" and "Under God" were officially added in the 50s.
Not just the US, the whole world please. And Religious education is compulsory in schools here, well atleast it was in mine, for 3 years, until you can choose your own subjects. I think it should be held after school, and people can attend if they want to, not that they have to. And not to waste school time and money on, essentially, reading fairy tales.
it was to try and unite the country as a hole... As ww2 just passed, and the country was probably still under some financial strain. Considering over half the country believed in christianity it was probably the easiest way to get the majority of the country to follow and appreciate at least something the government was doing. And In god we trust was an easy slogan for people to be inspired, even though it sounds almost exactly similar to the nazis slogan. Anyways who cares, it won't change. Sure people will talk about it, mostly just because athiests have there heads far up into anything "religious" we will indead get to hear 25 pages of complaints. Of course again thanks to another topic based on something that should be under athiesm vs christianity.
Well, we will leave the other countries to tend to their own affiliations. For now, let's just work on our nation.
[quote=Nonconformist]Considering over half the country believed in christianity it was probably the easiest way to get the majority of the country to follow and appreciate at least something the government was doing. And In god we trust was an easy slogan for people to be inspired, even though it sounds almost exactly similar to the nazis slogan.[/quote]
Or:
[quote=314d1]It wasn't added to the pledge until the red scare[/quote] [quote=MageGrayWolf]"In God We Trust" and "Under God" were officially added in the 50s.[/quote]
Anyways who cares, it won't change. Sure people will talk about it, mostly just because athiests have there heads far up into anything "religious" we will indead get to hear 25 pages of complaints. Of course again thanks to another topic based on something that should be under athiesm vs christianity.
The way I see it....it's not a matter of religion per say, but the elasticity of religion. We can't have all Americans pledge to be under God. It's a matter of decency. Enchilladotuilluptah has told me to not be a part of other religions. I'm quite faithful and have to do His bidding. Some argue that 'under God' is ambiguous, that it means gods of any religion. What about 'under Gods'? When we think of God, we think of Jehovah, Yahweh, Allah, however you name the Christian god. Other people don't. We realize that the majority of the nation is Christian. But does the majority rule? Or the Constitution?
This really doesn't have anything to do with atheism.
Well no, but people tend to make it seem that way. I read the first page and people already comment about how they are in hatred over the fact that they have to live under such a modo because they have different beliefs. Or i should say no beliefs at all
While this matter has some religious aspect about it, it's not about going into detail on the validity of Religion; it's about being able to freely practice your religion while not having to pledge allegiance to another.
Well no, but people tend to make it seem that way. I read the first page and people already comment about how they are in hatred over the fact that they have to live under such a modo because they have different beliefs. Or i should say no beliefs at all
I thought you were done trolling in the religious arguments. The OP actually is related to atheism. After all, legally imposing the Christian deity onto an individual of a different faith/belief system, whether they be Muslim, Jew or Pastafarian, would be unconstitutional.
And BTW, atheists actually do have beliefs. A strong atheist believes in the nonexistence of god. Besides, a lot of atheists are political activists, encouraging policies such as stem cell research, the removal of the Christian deity from the US, etc. A person with absolutely no beliefs would more likely be classified as an agnostic, I think.
