This is not about whether or not he was the son of God but whether he actually existed.Most atheists agree that he did live but there are some who don't so what are you're thoughts?
When you die you either go to Heaven, Hell or Purgatory. Then you stay there for eternity. What am I not articulating?
Not 100% true. Purgatory is a spiritual cleansing with fire preparing you see God and go to heaven, you live for eternity for eternity. And if you to hell you're in there for eternity
When you die you either go to Heaven, Hell or Purgatory. Then you stay there for eternity. What am I not articulating?
Purgatory isn't in your source material. As for the eternity bit I'm saying that is unjust because of being eternal. You said the only way to get sent to hell is a denial of God, which in itself is riddled with it's own injustices and displays a pettiness on Gods part. I then pointed out what if the person changed there mind after the fact. You said they get out. Then I pointed out that would mean it's not eternal. You reversed your statement and said you don't get out, which again puts it back to an unjust system.
As far as human nature goes, we don't have to apologize for being human, and that's about all I have to say about it.
Considering many of the sins are really just human nature and we have to apologize for them then yes you do.
Not 100% true. Purgatory is a spiritual cleansing with fire preparing you see God and go to heaven, you live for eternity for eternity.
Ignoring the fact that purgatory isn't necessarily biblical, if such a place did exist couldn't all souls receive this cleansing therefore removing the need for hell?
Ignoring the fact that purgatory isn't necessarily biblical, if such a place did exist couldn't all souls receive this cleansing therefore removing the need for hell?
If you're going to hell you're beyond help, which makes no sense when your God is omnipotent.
If you're going to hell you're beyond help, which makes no sense when your God is omnipotent.
Exactly! And if a cleansing is required then what's the point of being a Christian on Earth? I thought the whole point was so that you would be clean before God.
First thing, cleansing isn't necessarily needed. You are going to make mistakes in life, christian or not, that's what reconciliation is for, but most christians i know never go. Secondly, if you aren't christian, you have no relationship with God, thus no possible way to be cleaned. To be cleaned, you need to have a relationship. Why should one who denies God and have no relationship with him deserve to be cleaned? Chances are there may be exceptions but, it's not my call.
now im sure you'll find some crazy example thatll be on the borderline, so swing away.
Why should one who denies God and have no relationship with him deserve to be cleaned?
For all have sinned and feel short of the glory of God.
We deserve it as much as you seeing as how we both have sinned and have both been saved by grace. What of someone who never heard the word of god? Wasn't limbo abolished recently?
Crazy? Logically more people in human history haven't heard it then the ones who have, think native Americans.
So what am i supposed to do about it. You can't blame christianity because there were a hell of a lot of missionaries converting the native americans too
I believe in many things but the Christian God is not one of them, why exactly does that make me undeserving? Because I want proof?
