ForumsWEPR[concluded] Was Jesus real?

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holt24
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This is not about whether or not he was the son of God but whether he actually existed.Most atheists agree that he did live but there are some who don't so what are you're thoughts?

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Cinna
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think native Americans.


Ironically, many Native American religions were found to resemble Christianity.
samy
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You can't blame christianity because there were a hell of a lot of missionaries converting the native americans too


No, but I sure as hell can blame god for ignoring the people he created. The only argument that makes sense is that all humans were screwed because of the original sin which kills the argument of free will which kills the idea of a loving god.

Your disbelief.


Wrong sir. Even the demons believe but they are not saved.

Ironically, many Native American religions were found to resemble Christianity.


One god that comes to Earth as a human isn't super hard to copy.
Cranium80
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yes

samy
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yes


One word posts are discouraged, please try to back up your belief.
Cinna
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One god that comes to Earth as a human isn't super hard to copy.


How could they coPy the europeans, who they had never seen?
samy
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How could they coPy the europeans, who they had never seen?


I mean it isn't very original, if we can state that religion is an integral way for humans to describe their surroundings in a way they can comprehend we can say most early societies would form a religion of sorts. With all these religions it only makes sense some would share traits.
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Even the demons believe but they are not saved.

Demons don't believe. They know. Anyways, it couldn't be that they turned away from God. Angels have seen God so when they turn away from God, there is no going back.
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Demons don't believe. They know.


"You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe thatâ"and shudder."
-James 2:19

Anyways, it couldn't be that they turned away from God. Angels have seen God so when they turn away from God, there is no going back.


According to the bible I'm punished for turning away when I have not seen, why is there no going back for me?
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"You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe thatâ�"and shudder."
-James 2:19

It would my sarcasm was not noted, but that is my fault for i know that sarcasm taken literally here.

According to the bible I'm punished for turning away when I have not seen, why is there no going back for me?


When did i say there was no going back? You could turn toward God right now and you'd be accepted.
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It would my sarcasm was not noted, but that is my fault for i know that sarcasm taken literally here.


The words you express re only 20% of what you say, it's nearly impossible to know what's sarcasm and what is not.

When did i say there was no going back? You could turn toward God right now and you'd be accepted.


You didn't, the bible did;

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.


Matthew 12: 31-32
cowmaster1
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The words you express re only 20% of what you say, it's nearly impossible to know what's sarcasm and what is not.

exactly why i claimed it as my fault.


Not sure what to say about the bible passage. It's saying to me there will be punishment, but you won't be shut out from the possiblity of being saved. That's all i got from it
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It's saying to me there will be punishment, but you won't be shut out from the possiblity of being saved. That's all i got from it


but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.


Considering the fact that you have to be forgiven to go to heaven I would assume by saying the he holy spirit is simply a myth I'm now doomed to hell.
Cinna
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Sure the devils believe, but they do not accept him. That's the jist, not just flat out belief.

samy
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but they do not accept him


Define accept.
cowmaster1
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Considering the fact that you have to be forgiven to go to heaven I would assume by saying the he holy spirit is simply a myth I'm now doomed to hell


I don't see where you're coming from. But counting yourself out already is gonna do much :/
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