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holt24
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This is not about whether or not he was the son of God but whether he actually existed.Most atheists agree that he did live but there are some who don't so what are you're thoughts?

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samy
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I don't see where you're coming from.


We get into heaven through faith in the blood of Jesus that covers, forgives, our sins. If a sin is uncovered, even one, I'm going to hell by definition.
Cinna
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They don't accept him as God. They know he is God, but they're in a sense jealous.

cowmaster1
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If a sin is uncovered, even one, I'm going to hell by definition.


You go to purgatory to cleanse yourself of that sin, depending on the sin. Completely turning your back to God is a one way ticket to hell when you die. If you turn back to God before you die, you'll be saved.
samy
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They don't accept him as God. They know he is God, but they're in a sense jealous.


Riddle me this, why would beings created to serve god, beings who knew that he was omnipotent as they are not creative, risk everything in a revolution? Aren't the one's who risk it all in a pointless revolution the ones fighting against tyranny?
samy
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You go to purgatory to cleanse yourself of that sin, depending on the sin.


Verse please.
cowmaster1
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All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven
-Catechism 1030

If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames
- 1 Corinthians 3:15

Cinna
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risk everything in a revolution? Aren't the one's who risk it all in a pointless revolution the ones fighting against tyranny?


I doubt that in every case of rebellion it is for a worthy cause. Besides, you apparently reject God, yet here you and other atheists debate on his character. It's like us talking about the morality of the tooth fairy.
samy
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Catechism 1030


Apocrypha doesn't count as a previous Protestant it's even a further stretch for me to accept that.

1 Corinthians 3:15


Deals with rebuilding your temple, faith, after it's revealed as false or wrong.
samy
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Besides, you apparently reject God, yet here you and other atheists debate on his character. It's like us talking about the morality of the tooth fairy.


In order to actually debate we have to find a level playing field as the argument deals with god we come to those who believe in god and meet them.

I doubt that in every case of rebellion it is for a worthy cause.


But rebellion when nothing can be won, out of desperation. That's requires a very radical view of those in power and the choice between life or death.
cowmaster1
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Apocrypha doesn't count as a previous Protestant it's even a further stretch for me to accept that.


Well its there for you to accept it or not. What did the protestants teach about it?
samy
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What did the protestants teach about it?


Nothing, they don't believe it exists because it doesn't in the bible.

In protestant Christianity accepting Jesus covers all sins until death or a rejection of him. This removes the need for any stage of purification.
cowmaster1
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That sounds too easy though. It sounds like they basically ignore all that he teaches and just says 'you believe, straight shot to heaven'. I believe you have to work with your faith

Cinna
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But rebellion when nothing can be won, out of desperation. That's requires a very radical view of those in power and the choice between life or death.


Can evil not be considered as 'radical'?
samy
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I believe you have to work with your faith


That's not really biblical, well it is in some books and not in others.
Let's just say it isn't usually biblical. What about someone who turns to god after a life of hate at the last second?

Can evil not be considered as 'radical'?


Evil exists to further itself, not destroy itself.
cowmaster1
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What about someone who turns to god after a life of hate at the last second?


I've actually asked this question myself too and there's never been a definite answer. Mostly i'd say it's up to God because it's him doing the judging and not us
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