This is not about whether or not he was the son of God but whether he actually existed.Most atheists agree that he did live but there are some who don't so what are you're thoughts?
I couldn't keep to reason and calm the way you and a good few others do on here.
Done more than my share of losing it. Keeping cool just takes practice. Three years ago I was asking someone who they managed to not lose it while debating with an evangelical creationist. One thing that helps is knowing your stuff. Though to be fair Sonatavarius really isn't bad and has shown to have brains and a willingness to reevaluate.
Im doing a good job of keeping cool but the only way is to jump out of the water every now and then. And your right about knowing your stuff, I try to keep to what I know and while thats limited I believe its powerful in its own right.
Though to be fair Sonatavarius really isn't bad and has shown to have brains and a willingness to reevaluate.
Wasnt really a dig at sonata tbh, just a judgement on you and some of the community.
[quote]forgive my mistake..... i didn't mean absence of God... i meant hell is being separated from God.
Pretty much saying the same thing here. To be separated from something would require it's absence. Saying your separated from something omnipresent would be like saying your separated from your arm while it's still attached.[/quote]
I believe it is closer to anyone in hell can't know God or take comfort from Him etc. While He can and does know and sense us.
I guess not, because if you cannot know or take comfort from god then the earth must be hell full of delusional people who all want to crawl back into the womb.
Well except for moral Athiests who can happily say we want to make the earth a better place and not **** anyone to anywhere for what they believe (except listening to the x-factor, that is a torment within itself, a paradox of sorts that folds in under its own weight of ego and makeup but ends up shallow and used by the peoples that run it, not one sided am I?)
jesus lived and was a very influencial man with awesome charisma that let him develop today's world's most popular religion with the power of speech, about the son of god thing its just a wrong statement of all kinds and I have an explanation for that which I shall not put here. though he was a pretty great person he was a taritor to his own religion and at the time that was extremely bad in a way.
Hell is also unjust and cruel condemning someone to an eternity of punishment for a finite crime.
The only thing that gets you into hell is denial of God, which by christian standards is anything but finite.
Original sin is unjust, condemning those for something another person did.
I really have no idea about how original sin is explained, honestly. But as far as I can say, it isn't that difficult to live a christian life, despite original sin.
Why would such a being just want those would would blindly follow along, rather than those who actually think for themselves and reserve decisions based not on faith but on facts?
It seems that God thinks that if you TRULY based decisions on fact, that you would come to the conclusion that God exists.
When talking about why God lets things play out, I also have little to say. I recall it having something to do about original sin though, and that's a combination I won't get deep into :P
I have an explanation for that which I shall not put here.
Please explain, don't hold back.
The only thing that gets you into hell is denial of God, which by christian standards is anything but finite.
Basically being an atheist huh?
Let's see. Murder? We can let it go, even says to do it depending. Child molester? Don't even mention it. Say you don't believe? NOW YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR!!!
This gets even more silly considering it would be rather hard to deny such a beings existence if he just showed himself or if we have to wait until we die then we could hobnob than. Again making this whole "test" moot and unjust. Of course if this deity is the cruel, blood thirsty, genocidal, egocentric the Bible makes him out to be, why would you want to spend eternity with him?
I really have no idea about how original sin is explained, honestly. But as far as I can say, it isn't that difficult to live a christian life, despite original sin.
Yeah think of yourself as the greatest creation in all the universe and hate yourself for being human.
It seems that God thinks that if you TRULY based decisions on fact, that you would come to the conclusion that God exists.
Apparently not. Also that would go against the requirement of faith.
Actually, let me elaborate. What I meant is that if you came before Him before you died, and yet still said you hated him, etc, then it's off to Hell.
We if the guy doesn't show himself how am I suppose to know whether I hate him or not? And why this requirement of before I die? If I keep going after I'm dead what should it matter? Also what if I change my mind after I'm in hell? I still don't see how such a punishment should be eternal.
I'm not following you.
Christians think we were created in God's image and made to be top dog in this universe. So the greatest creation in all the universe. But we also have this sin which most of it is just human nature. So we must also hate ourselves for being human.
Wouldn't you have to have faith in your conclusions?
f the guy doesn't show himself how am I suppose to know whether I hate him or not?
Well, to give you a desensitized bible school answer, you can see God all around you, in the earth and through people. But can you see God through murderers and rapists? No, because they do not let the god part of them show.
Also what if I change my mind after I'm in hell? I still don't see how such a punishment should be eternal.
If you would ever change your mind, you would go to heaven, or probably purgatory. Hell is only for those who would never accept God, no matter how much suffering they endure.
Christians think we were created in God's image and made to be top dog in this universe. So the greatest creation in all the universe. But we also have this sin which most of it is just human nature. So we must also hate ourselves for being human.
We are made in God's image, however not so much to be 'top dog' as much as to be stewards of the earth. We don't necessarily need to 'hate' ourselves, but understand that we are imperfect and in need of salvation.