This is not about whether or not he was the son of God but whether he actually existed.Most atheists agree that he did live but there are some who don't so what are you're thoughts?
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Not through words, no. You learn things from books.
Which books? As far as I know, almost all books have been written by man. With the exception of monkeys and Shakespeare.
Really, it's just common sense. You do realize that this is a never ending argument right? Do you also realize that out of all the things that ive said, youve only argued a small percentage?
In reality, I've only seen you post vague sentences with no evidence to back up your claims.
Asherlee, are you suggesting that Shakespeare was more than a man? Anyway, i do believe that Jesus was real and the things he did happened. I think archeologists may have actually found Jesus's tomb [url]http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2007/02/25/tomb_arc.html?category=archaeology[/url]
Not through words, no. You learn things from books. Religion is the same, except we learn through events in life (and a little from books).
Not to be a stick in the mud, ants in a picnic, or rain on your parade, but if you're referring to the bible, then it's sad to say that it is not a reliable source of information, not in the least, nor are any other books that are "derived" from a deity.
Really, it's just common sense.
Common sense dictates that deities aren't real. Where is he? I'd love to meet him. And if God gets this message, it'd be nice to have a verdict on the ~100 prayers I gave him. My relatives died from a progressive illness and my friends didn't survive a car accident, despite all my pleas for help. What happened? I was a loyal Christian before I was 15 years old. I prayed long before they died. His omnipotence, benevolence, and overall "godliness" has been tested and they have been proven wrong.
You do realize that this is a never ending argument right?
That may be, but only through the persistence of Christians and the Atheists that always win.
Do you also realize that out of all the things that ive said, youve only argued a small percentage?
Do you also realize that you haven't argued a thing--that your "arguments" were all based on cliche rhetorics and hasty, brash opinions?
Well everyone has there side to wherefore Jesus is real, I believe that all you opinion are great, but I believe that he is real. That's just the Christian side of me.
I mean honestly, I've watched these threads time and time again. It ends up with the religious side reiterating what has already been said. They then get debunked and they leave. Maybe not this one--these threads do throw curve balls from time to time.
Honestly, I've yet to see a Christian enter a debate here and give a decent run. It ends like you said, Freak. I'm tempted to try to debate from that side. For the life of me, I can't find solid evidence to stand on.
But, I have made sure my beliefs are really never known. I just enjoy debating from different sides.
Don't get me wrong guys; I don't debate to win on one side. I make sure to correct and debunk someone who is wrong in their claims. I have my beliefs, but I make sure not to let that keep me from keeping quiet about someone else's goof. My arguments just are directed at the religious, I'd say, most of the time.
Not to be a stick in the mud, ants in a picnic, or rain on your parade, but if you're referring to the bible, then it's sad to say that it is not a reliable source of information, not in the least, nor are any other books that are "derived" from a deity.
Only a fool disregards the bible. Even if you dont believe in it, you shouldnt just tag it as "false".
Common sense dictates that deities aren't real. Where is he? I'd love to meet him. And if God gets this message, it'd be nice to have a verdict on the ~100 prayers I gave him. My relatives died from a progressive illness and my friends didn't survive a car accident, despite all my pleas for help. What happened? I was a loyal Christian before I was 15 years old. I prayed long before they died. His omnipotence, benevolence, and overall "godliness" has been tested and they have been proven wrong.
Touch a tree. There's god. Touch the grass. There he is again. He may not be here in person, but he's here in nature. You called yourself a loyal christian? Yet for some strange reason you stopped believing... Hm maybe god threw you all of those curve balls to test your faith? Besides we come into this world knowing one thing for certain: that we'll die. So just because someone dies doesnt mean god did it to be mean, it was going to happen anyways. As for praying, maybe it was there time to go? Maybe god knew that even if your close friends died, you'd be strong even to move on and not ponder about the past? Have you ever heard the saying dont fix a car if it isnt broken? Sure we would all like to live 100 healthy years, but when we don't, we shouldnt whine about it. If we enjoyed life as a whole then wasn't it worth it, regardless of us leaving our friends? And if we are certain that we are not evil and are remorseful about our actions, then wouldnt death be a good thing, a new beginning?
That may be, but only through the persistence of Christians and the Atheists that always win.
If i am correct, which i know i am, atheists started the argument. Plus, it might just be me, but ive noticed that all of you atheists seem to take the bible too literally. Like every single word is the truth about how exactly things took place. You fail to realize that most of the old testament was at first passed down orally. In that sense, there are a lot of exaggerations in most of the bible stories in order to get the point across. You probably think "Oh a boat that holds a pair of every single animal and a flood that flooded the whole world? Preposterous!" You have to look at these stories reasonably. Of course there wasnt a flood that covered the WHOLE world, but what was earth back then? Most of civilization was in that part of the earth. That was the "world" in Noah's time. And two of every animal? Probably not. Noah probably just boarded on the essential animals, like his flock and maybe some woodland critters. Heed my words, do not take the bible word for word in the stories. They happened that way, but without all of the impossible exaggerations.
Only a fool disregards the bible. Even if you dont believe in it, you shouldnt just tag it as "false".
I just beat up a slave the other day. He didn't die right away though, so I didn't need to confess. I made sure to turn in a gay man too. God did say that they are abominations to nature. Oh, I do believe in the Bible. It's right there in front of me. I just don't like what it says. I also laugh every now and then.
Like every single word is the truth about how exactly things took place.
Yet the man himself iterates that the Old Testament is to be taken as the truth. So. Do women get turned to stone from fleeing a burning village? I'm sure many people do over in the Middle East. God, right? Everything's the work of God, right? If these are exaggerations, then those that wrote the Bible aren't doing their jobs.
Probably not. Noah probably just boarded on the essential animals, like his flock and maybe some woodland critters.
The essentials, eh? So, all the "essentials" were ~200,000 land/air species? So what happened to the non-essentials? Darn. I bet they are somewhere deep in the earth too. I should dig one up one of these days.
