Well, I think of it more as an idealogical stance than a vice, but how do you feel about the objectification of women? As I see it, women are people. And another suprising fact, the Guy in my name truthfully indicates that I am male. I feel, that no matter where they are from, who they are, or what gender they have, people should be treated equally. Of course, that is my opinion, and so I will hope that people can share their views, even if they do believe in the objectification of women. So, please, no making insults on other people's comments. As the rules say, keep the debate friendly and clean. If possible, you can point out flaws, but, it is opinion. So remember, those are the rules, people!
Yes, it does. Read it again. It says that women must not usurp authority over the man, but sit in silence. They must remain under the man in terms of authority. That is inferiority.
When it says man it is speaking of her husband and when it says she must sit in silence it is talking about church and Timothy already explained why a woman should not speak up in church but that she is to talk to her husband about church when they are home.
"Give me any plague, but the plague of the heart: and any wickedness, but the wickedness of a woman." (Eccles. 25:13)
Nope nothing here. What do you think wickedness of a women means?
"Of the woman came the beginning of sin, and through her we all die." (Eccles. 25:22)
Nothing wrong here. She was the first one to sin and she did deceive Adam.
"If she go not as thou wouldest have her, cut her off from thy flesh, and give her a bill of divorce, and let her go." (Eccles. 25: 26)
So if a women does something her husband tells her not to do then he doesn't have a right to divorce her?
"The *****dom of a woman may be known in her haughty looks and eyelids. If thy daughter be shameless, keep her in straitly, lest she abuse herself through overmuch liberty." (Eccles. 26:9-10)
What's wrong here?
"A silent and loving woman is a gift of the Lord: and there is nothing so much worth as a mind well instructed. A shamefaced and faithful woman is a double grace, and her continent mind cannot be valued." (Eccles. 26:14-15)
So none of that is good and it undervalues women?
"A shameless woman shall be counted as a dog; but she that is shamefaced will fear the Lord." (Eccles.26:25)
Once again is this not true? This is not talking about women as a whole.
"For from garments cometh a moth, and from women wickedness. Better is the churlishness of a man than a courteous woman, a woman, I say, which bringeth shame and reproach." (Eccles. 42:13-14)
Nothing wrong here. Wickedness does come from women and by saying that you are saying Eve.
1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'If anyone makes a special vow to dedicate persons to the LORD by giving equivalent values, 3 set the value of a male between the ages of twenty and sixty at fifty shekels [a] of silver, according to the sanctuary shekel ; 4 and if it is a female, set her value at thirty shekels. 5 If it is a person between the ages of five and twenty, set the value of a male at twenty shekels and of a female at ten shekels. [ 6 If it is a person between one month and five years, set the value of a male at five shekels of silver and that of a female at three shekels of silver. 7 If it is a person sixty years old or more, set the value of a male at fifteen shekels [h] and of a female at ten shekels.
So maybe females are worth 2/3 of what men are worth, a little bit more than half, according to God. My bad!
I see this thread is turning into an effort of convincing a 16 year old kid with a Christian preference that his god likes women less. It has little relevance here, except for proving one source of prejudice against women. But there are many other sources (other religions, undeveloped societies, macho men etc.) and many other prejudices as well. Though the increase in social awareness is helping to diminish prejudices, it will never vanish.
On the topic, I believe that women should get an equal treatment in aspects in which they ARE equal to men: social rights, intellectual capabilities etc. However, there are distinctive physical differences that forces us to treat them separately (for example, an employer can't treat a female employee who's pregnant the same way he would treat a man on sick leave). As far as that goes, the system seems to work pretty well (can't claim for certain), everything else is simply personal opinion, which can hardly be changed through the means of an internet debate. I know for myself that, as much as I like to think I'm treating women equally, I know that I'd cave in easier to a request of an fairly looking woman than to a man, and I try to be a perfect gentleman whenever I can. So, recognize our equality and celebrate the little differences, for they are the spice of life.
I thought we were beyond bringing religion into debates that involve gender and race. Should it even matter in a modern society? Or are we still believing God and what he denounces as whats higher than the other? This is the same god that taught us that homosexuals and prostitutes are sinful and will inevitably to go to hell, and that it is okay to beat a slave so long as we don't kill him or her. Come on people! I ain't dissing your beliefs or anything, but even you guys should make sense of what he says and what WE say.
Looks like this eccles bloke had some girl cheat on him huh! j/k
Religion is a moot point in this thread. Keeping the female of our species in control has been around since waaaaay before religion. Its about time we spread equality in general.
Girls go to college To get more knowledge Boys go to Jupiter To get even stupider
this is so we can become equals, duh!! (sarcasm??....)
men and women are not equal, that is not to say one is better than the other. simple as that, i have a hoo hoo dilly, women have chacha's, obviously we are not the same, don't worry i get the point, in the workplace and whatnot there should be no difference. but then again this goes into a reality that people seem hard pressed to ignore. like a crippled man, and he wants to be the foreman of a work site, no matter how much experience, or talent the man had, it is just impractical for him to have those kind of expectations. a man who wants to give birth, naturally, (with no damn scientific crap) is seting himself up for failure. and women should feel disrespected that a "man" would even want to. birth is for women, and women only have been blessed with the gift of child bearing. that being said, men tend to be stronger, not to say that there isnt a thousand women that could kick my ass right now, but that is just the way the majority is, thus they each have thier own strengths and weaknesses. boy, i feel better now. so in conclusion, we are not equal, and we are equal, both are better and worse than eachother. and if women want to not be looked at a different way for thier bodies, then stop dressing slutty.
"now the man puts his hoo hoo dilly in the womans chacha and they make a baby... any questions?"
and if women want to not be looked at a different way for thier bodies, then stop dressing ****ty.
Now there lies a problem that both men and women face together. Its to do with social circumstance and the way the genders brain works. I dont have a problem with a woman wearing a short skirt, but if she bends over and I look, she better not be angry. What I DO have a real problem with is the clothes Im seeing youngsters wearing nowadays. Girls of 10 years old wearing jeans that push their hips into shapes that they just aint and giving them an hourglass figure. I sometimes feel like saying this to their parents when they on the street etc... (p.s. try this at your own risk, I hold no responsibility for your hospitalisation from this) "oh yeah, check your daughter out, she looks fine, Mmm MMM... those hips and red lips make me go wild... what?"
Yes, the girls are maturing faster and younger than the boys.
That's why, in America, we have to teach Sex(Abstinence)Education before the ninth grade, when I learned about it. When 10 year old children are experimenting with sex, we as parents have to start explaining to our children before Kindergarten that when they are in the bathroom, their business is their business and no one has the right to touch their business. My son at 4 years old, learned this rule and I didn't have to explain anything just unzip and quickly rezip my jeans to illustrate what the business was.
Some parents are simply too immature to be parents so they let their children run free. Children actually are more self aware and self controlled when they learn what the parameters are or, what the limits and boundaries are. Children are actually confused when parents don't teach them rules of conduct while they are learning to explore as toddlers. I know some of you are tired of hearing the word "no", spoken by your parents but if you don't hear this word often enough while you're young, you will be devastated when your boss tells you you can't have a day off or, you've been passed over for a promotion, etc.
I've told my son no even when he's done everything right. I've also told him that sometimes, no isn't forever but when a girl tells him no, it means no even if she's laughing.
