My friend and I got into a conversation the other day, and he left me with the statement that Religion blinds people. He never explained what that meant, but I still want to know; based on your guys experiences, does Religion blind? And if so, how does it blind? Does it blind you from accepting all reality, or just another reality that you don't want to face?
You can't have this both ways. You have the OT giving lists of reasons to kill. That wasn't over ruled. That means people can use the Bible to justify such actions. This would also mean you would have to dismiss at least parts of the Bible in favor of forgiving.
no, you never gave an example of anyone using the bible to justify...
crap, just realised..
luke 10:27 He answered, "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"
Well, I bet you who ever did kill someone definitely broke this very, very important rule.
lists of reasons to kill
don't you still get the death sentence is some states in the US?
no, you never gave an example of anyone using the bible to justify...
No I didn't give specific names but I did list examples where it was done. You dismissed them as being to old.
Well, I bet you who ever did kill someone definitely broke this very, very important rule.
I'm sure anyone who ever did kill did the same mental gymnastics you've been doing to justify the cruel actions in the Bible. The only difference is the conclusions they arrived at were in reverse of yours, finding time when they could kill and ignore or dismiss the kinder parts of the Bible.
don't you still get the death sentence is some states in the US?
Yes we do, though I don't remember US law being claimed as providing absolute moral codes and being inerrant. Also many of the killings in the Bible (even many done by God himself) would by today's standards be regarded as immoral. As I pointed out the OT still applies so that means if this Book is an absolute moral code the moral standard today should still apply to back then when they were writing out that list.
Really all these excuses you've been trying to make this whole time only proves my point about being blinded by religion. By no means do I think your an extremist. Though when you come to a part of the Bible that doesn't fit what your religion is telling you, you are forced to to make up excuses and dismiss those parts. That is just blind.
Oh, just wondering, since you mentioned your dad studies theology which of these are specifically in the Bible? There could be more than one.
Three wise men Purgatory Trinity money is the root of all evil God helps those who help themselves
Really all these excuses you've been trying to make this whole time only proves my point about being blinded by religion. By no means do I think your an extremist. Though when you come to a part of the Bible that doesn't fit what your religion is telling you, you are forced to to make up excuses and dismiss those parts. That is just blind.
no, that is just because I am not some specialist in this, I have almost no expereince. I am just one 13 year old guy, who knows a bit more than an average person.
Oh, just wondering, since you mentioned your dad studies theology which of these are specifically in the Bible? There could be more than one.
Three wise men Purgatory Trinity money is the root of all evil God helps those who help themselves
ok, 3 wise men - ?? what is that purgatory -- indirectly trinity - idk money is the root of evil - nowhere, it isn't(lol if it was I'd the most evil person in the world(seriously, you don't know how I treat money.)) god helps those who help themselves - idk
manny, you do well for a 13 year old, that is true. However, Mage continues to show you flaws in your logic and inconsistencies with your application of the Bible, do you not agree?
yeah, organization and making my arghumant is something I was never good at in running disscussions. I this was a single written work it would be better. As for knowledge of the bible, well what I hear in the church and an 'everyday' evening read with my family.
I don't have extensive knowledge of the teachings of the church, but I try do what i can to support my argument. I enjoy disscussing stuff.
thanks, asherlee.
btw, mage how old are you?
hypermenstra:
I think that theists can be rational, intelligent, and capable of critical thinking if they do not let their religion control them.
yes, and religeon can't control them, you always control yourself.
letting your religion run your life
you're meant to, but you're not meant to make it the only thing in your life, you're still meant to make the best of life and other things. God wants us to make as much good in life, he wants us to have fun, he wants us to get the best job possible. But he doesn't just do it. You have to put in time, effort and care. If you don't try that's wrong, evil is not only doing wrong stuff, it's also not doing good stuff.
And that's your downfall. If you only argue your own point of view then it breeds close-mindedness. I've spent many hours debating from the Christian viewpoint and, as such, I understand their views and arguments better.
Avorne is right. You've got to be willing to accept that your ideas and beliefs can be wrong. And when you discover they are, you adjust accordingly. No one is ever right 100% of the time.
My existential views change all the time. I run with an idea until I reach a dead end. But my eyes are open to those dead ends.
Well, you've suffered several defeats, if you don't mind me saying so. Mage has pointed out several flaws in specific areas of your argument and, as such, you've abandoned them. So, while you haven't been fully beaten, you've certainly taken damage.
I don't have extensive knowledge of the teachings of the church, but I try do what i can to support my argument. I enjoy disscussing stuff.
I hope that you have at least learned something from all this. I will agree with Asherlee, for your age you have done well.
btw, mage how old are you?
More than twice as old as you.
[quote]letting your religion run your life
you're meant to, but you're not meant to make it the only thing in your life, you're still meant to make the best of life and other things.[/quote]
^This and this > "yes, and religeon can't control them, you always control yourself." seem to be contradictory. If religion is meant to run your life than your not really controlling it yourself.
I know, and I'm not 100% right, but I haven't been beaten yet, have I?
I don't particularly like to think of it as a win lose situation. It's more about personal gain.
