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Kevin4762
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I know this thread has probably been made a Brazilian times, but hear me out. This one asks a more specific question:

Is the life sentence without parole worse than the death sentence? I am not asking if you think it is legal, but if it is worse to rot in prison or to die without pain?

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Xzeno
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That's why it is ironic that people prefer confinement over death, even though it is ten times worse.
You can't objectively say which is better. It's personal preference. Don't get on a high horse claiming to be more reasonable, because there is no correct side in this argument. We can say our opinions, and we can compare points, but no one can claim to be right.
iMogwai
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Recently saw a thread about a guy who was falsely accused of a crime, and spent 38 years in jail before he was freed. This obviously proves that the system makes mistakes, big ones. What if he had been sentenced to death? Then it'd have been too late.

liverpool8
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I would want to die, but get to choose how I die. The choices would e executuion squad, electric chair or injection. I would pick the execution squad because it is traditional.

Kevin4762
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You can't objectively say which is better. It's personal preference. Don't get on a high horse claiming to be more reasonable, because there is no correct side in this argument. We can say our opinions, and we can compare points, but no one can claim to be right.


But almost everyone said it was. Would you say spending your life in the same place without the possibility of being released out early is better than dying? Either way you die, but in one you die without pain, and in the other you die with.

Recently saw a thread about a guy who was falsely accused of a crime, and spent 38 years in jail before he was freed. This obviously proves that the system makes mistakes, big ones. What if he had been sentenced to death? Then it'd have been too late.


I think death penalty should be a choice.

I would want to die, but get to choose how I die. The choices would e executuion squad, electric chair or injection. I would pick the execution squad because it is traditional.


They don't do an execution squad because of the psychological effects it has on a person.
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But almost everyone said it was. Would you say spending your life in the same place without the possibility of being released out early is better than dying? Either way you die, but in one you die without pain, and in the other you die with.


Don't forget, it take years for some death row candidates to be executed, it's not as 'ainless' as you claim. And no execution is not better, because you know that in a few moments you will cease to exist, until one has been put in such a position, they cannot judge what it eels like.
iMogwai
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But almost everyone said it was. Would you say spending your life in the same place without the possibility of being released out early is better than dying? Either way you die, but in one you die without pain, and in the other you die with.


By that logic, there's no point in living, because we're just gonna die anyway. Might as well make it quick.

And I'm sure life in jail would be better than death. At least for some people. Personally, I'd pick the jail time over death. And you say one way you die with pain? Living in jail doesn't have to be painful, just because you can't leave. I'm sure you can find some way to amuse yourself. Either way, if I got to choose between dying now, or dying in 30 years, I'd choose to live for another 30 years without any doubt.
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By that logic, there's no point in living, because we're just gonna die anyway. Might as well make it quick.

Absolutely not! The first statement does not imply the second necessarily!
iMogwai
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You said that if you know you're gonna die, there's no point in living. Well, everyone's gonna die, so that sort of means life is pointless, no?

No one lives for ever, doesn't mean people don't want to live for as long as they can.

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Taking out all the immoralities and circumstances of both to just compare the two, I feel that the death penalty, for me, would be better than X many years of jail before I die, especially if you are convicted at an early age. There is the argument about living the rest of your days in jail, days that you should treasure every minute of because you only get one life, but what part of life in prison is living?

Out there in the open air, free to do whatever your desires are, that is living. Hypothetically, I did do a crime that put me in jail, but jail is jail. You are caged like an animal, clock ticking while you do a long time of servitude, a small bit of "entertainment", then back to the small, economical bed to sleep on. If there is a tangible Hell, this is the closest, depending on the people you interact and the people that interact with you.

By that logic, there's no point in living, because we're just gonna die anyway. Might as well make it quick.


Kyouzou's logic works about the same way as my post does. You get to enjoy life like an animal should without jail. When you're in jail, you don't get 1/1000th of that experience. Multiply that for 365 1/4 days and X amount of years and that can really damage your "feeling". He wouldn't say such a thing if he was free. But he did do a crime, and so he believes that the death penalty would give him less pain than life in prison. In his perspective, I agree on that.
iMogwai
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Well, I'm Swedish, maybe it's a bit different in American prisons. Swedish prisons are probably quite a lot more comfortable than American ones. Even heard them be compared to hotels occasionally, but that's probably not the most high-security ones.

Still, since my belief is that nothing really happens to you after your death, you just cease to exist, I'd say it'd be worth it to live a while longer just to delay that.

Kevin4762
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Don't forget, it take years for some death row candidates to be executed, it's not as 'ainless' as you claim. And no execution is not better, because you know that in a few moments you will cease to exist, until one has been put in such a position, they cannot judge what it eels like.


I would rather die than suffer my entire life.

By that logic, there's no point in living, because we're just gonna die anyway. Might as well make it quick.]


No, I am that if you will be confined and be granted no freedoms for the rest of your lifetime, it is better to just die.
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Wait...I think I accidentally said Kyouzou and meant to say Einfach. That was part of his post after all. Whoops!


Still, since my belief is that nothing really happens to you after your death, you just cease to exist, I'd say it'd be worth it to live a while longer just to delay that.


I see what you're saying, and in normal circumstances if, say, we were talking about suicide, I would want to capture every minute of your life as possible, because you're just going through a psychological phase. However, I'm inclined to believe that jail is horrible and a place that I would never want to be in an extended period of time. If I had the choice between staying in a place that I knew was going to have horrible experiences, versus a shot and "that's all the wrote", then I would go with the latter.
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Apparently at least maybe in the UK, a life sentence is made up of parts, the punishment part and then the containment part which is just so that you don't just go out and kill some more people or something similar.

Sorry if that has nothing to do with the Death Penalty.

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Apparently at least maybe in the UK, a life sentence is made up of parts, the punishment part and then the containment part which is just so that you don't just go out and kill some more people or something similar.

I think in Britain they call it life imprisonment. I believe a life sentence is a specific period of years, usually 20-30 years, after that the convict may get parole; if he had a good behaviour.
Aye, the idea is punishment and containment. Such offenders are regarded as highly dangerous for society and very challenging to reintegrate. No, actually almost impossible to rehabilitate.
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here in the netherlands, a life imprisonent IS for the rest of your life. but it is almost never used. you have to be a serial killer for that, or something like that. but there are punishments of 20 years and longer... also, many offenders have to get phsychological treatment, by court.

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