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thepyro222
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I grew up atheist for 16 years. I had always kept an open mind towards religion, but never really felt a need to believe in it. My sister started going to a Wednesday night children's program at a church. Eventually, I was dragged into a Christmas Eve service. Scoffing, I reluctantly went, assuming that this was going to be a load of crap, but when I went, I felt something. Something that I've never felt before. I felt a sense of empowerment and a sense of calling. Jesus called upon my soul, just like he did with his disciples. he wanted me to follow him. Now, my life is being lived for Christ. He died on the cross for my sins, and the sins of everyone who believes in him. He was beaten, brutalized, struck with a whip 39 times, made to carry a cross up to the stage of his death. This I believe to be true, and I can never repay him for what he has done.
I still have my struggles with Christianity, but I've found this bit of information most useful. Religion is not comprehensible in the human mind, because we cannot comprehend the idea of a perfect and supreme being, a God, but we can believe it in our heart, and that's the idea of faith. Faith is, even though everything rides against me believing in Jesus, I still believe in him because I know that it's true in my heart. I invite my fellow Brothers and sisters of the LORD to talk about how Jesus has helped you in your life. No atheists and no insults please

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Freakenstein
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God is extremely wise. He knows what he's doing.


You do? How do you know? How do you know of God's will? Mayhap God himself knows he is impartial of various activities?

Not if someone is killing you by their own accord.


So you have retraced your comments three fold is that it? Why do you not have a definite answer? First it was Jesus sacrificed willingly, then it was God and Jesus being the same so it was still willingly, then it was Romans killing Jesus, so it's not willingly? Make up your mind.

God has a purpose for creating Satan in the first place. Whatever it is, I trust Him.


Fortifying the free will unless you don't believe in me then you go to Hell, no doubt.
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I believe that if ever such an entity as God were to exist then it's obvious that the entity is an illogical and imperfect being in control of powers that it doesn't deserve or properly know how to use - akin to giving a young child a machine gun. Which leads me into the point about the entity obviously being imperfect by having a 'one size fits all' punishment for anyone that 'sins' and doesn't 'repent' - it's like shooting someone who refuses to share their toys with you.

Jake297
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So you have retraced your comments three fold is that it? Why do you not have a definite answer? First it was Jesus sacrificed willingly, then it was God and Jesus being the same so it was still willingly, then it was Romans killing Jesus, so it's not willingly? Make up your mind.

Jesus was killed willingly by the Romans of their own accord.
Freakenstein
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And Romans 10:13 proves that, too.


The Bible is not a reliable source of information, due to being written by Men who have no clue of God's ways. Which is also written in the Bible, which is also written in the Bible, which is also written in the Bible....

God has given the Devil control of the non-Christian people on earth, but just until God takes all His people into Heaven.


He has allowed him to tempt us, yet expects us to become followers? Is this freewill or not? Is this a paradox? "I'm giving you free will by allowing you to have free will and also having Satan by your side tempting you so you can have free will, until the part about you needing to believe in me so you don't have free will."
Freakenstein
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Jesus was killed willingly by the Romans of their own accord.


"Doctor, I want to be set free. I am terminally ill and I want to leave my pain behind. Please kill me."

"Okay, I will. I'll do it by my own actions and by your will."
Jake297
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akin to giving a young child a machine gun.

Yeah, giving a 2 yr old a machine gun is just like an OMNIPOTENT GOD having all power, wisdom, and understanding.
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Mayhap God himself knows he is impartial of various activities?


Oh really, name one thing that God can't do.

The Bible is not a reliable source of information, due to being written by Men who have no clue of God's ways. Which is also written in the Bible, which is also written in the Bible, which is also written in the Bible...


I'm still writing that thing, I'll get back with you later.
Avorne
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Well, lets face it, if such a being did exist - it's obviously unable to properly use the powers it has. It certainly doesn't seem to be able to use that supposed 'wisdom and understanding' very well - and has done diddly-squat over the last 2000 years to protect it's supposed chosen people.

Jake297
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"Okay, I will. I'll do it by my own actions and by your will."

Yeah, "by my own action" and "by my own accord/thinking" sound a lot like each other.
Freakenstein
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Oh really, name one thing that God can't do.


Attaining true morality, for there is always a silver lining to something that is set as being illegal by the law.* So REMOVING THE SIN OF OTHERS WITHOUT SINNING HIMSELF. He also cannot defy logic's laws.

*The action of assisted suicide has no silver lining (because any premise of such actions is its definition), but the morality of such action is a heavy grey area.
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Oh really, name one thing that God can't do.


Apparently ignore sin without killing someone.

Yeah, giving a 2 yr old a machine gun is just like an OMNIPOTENT GOD having all power, wisdom, and understanding.


Your right, it would be more like giving a five year old the button that links to all the nuclear weapons in the cold war. He would end the world, as your god has, according to the book.
Freakenstein
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Yeah, "by my own action" and "by my own accord/thinking" sound a lot like each other.


Accord: to be in agreement or harmony with

"I will agree to kill Jesus. It was my will, and I will carry it out with my actions."
Jake297
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Your right, it would be more like giving a five year old the button that links to all the nuclear weapons in the cold war. He would end the world, as your god has, according to the book.

You're missing my point. A baby is stupid and doesn't know any better. God is omnipotent.
Freakenstein
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You're missing my point. A baby is stupid and doesn't know any better. God is omnipotent.


God is omnipotent, yet *still* does it.
Jake297
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A baby would do it because the button is shiny. God will do it because he means to.

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