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brp47
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im an athiest and never understood why if god forgives everyone then why dose he send people to hell

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MageGrayWolf
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Well not exactly. I was taught that I was right in beliving in God, and Christianity but it's perfectly fine that there are people who don't. God doesn't judge you based on that. It really wouldn't be fair considering how people are raised.


There would likely be far less issue with Christianity if more people had been raised under those ideas.

Instead we constantly hear things like this.

"You still have time to repent, be baptized in Jesus name and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (all necessary for entering the Kingdom of God.) I pray that you will receive the revelation of Jesus Christ."

"Faith and repentance will save us. We must nail our sins and old life to a cross. Be must be reborn. Confess and believe. But the hard of heart wont understand."

"Both are important, but you can be a good and moral person in the eyes of man but without belief in God there is no hope for righteousness for in his eyes you would still be full of sin, the Bible says that none are good and we all have sinned, so without the redemption from sin that is offered through Jesus there is none free of sin, but righteousness (good moral) is a work in progress for the believer that sad to say take some a lifetime and yes there are many self righteous believers, that in the end according to Jesus will not make it to there destination they had hoped for.

Not believing is a sin"
Highfire
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what a person is looking for to tell which is better.

Proof is unconditionally unquestionable. Proof is the better as it provides progress and it provides undeniable... well, proof. Faith is good, but I rather not use the word - belief in someone or reliance on someone is what I'd rather say - because that's usually what it is. You say you have faith in your religion, what do you think I hear? I hear that you rely on your religion, and it weakens you.

Openminded-ness and logic should come first, whereas faith and belief comes through social aspects.

For what? Being atheist? No you won't. At least I don't belive you will. I have a question, do most christians people belive you will go to hell for not being christian? Because I have a friend who belives that.

Truth is, if God had morality that agreed with mine then I would still not be a Christian, but rather I would accept him if he became apparently "there" before I die - not as I die, because then I could quite easily be compromised.
Or, of course, after I'm dead.

"anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come."

Oh, the tickets are sold out :<

Oops. Looks like I'm gonna rot in hell then.

All because you didn't love God you rediculous fool! God made you, lov-- mad--... THE BIBLE SAYS HE'S AWESOME!

Well not exactly. I was taught that I was right in beliving in God, and Christianity but it's perfectly fine that there are people who don't. God doesn't judge you based on that. It really wouldn't be fair considering how people are raised.

That's actually a completely backed up argument, you're in your rights to believe in God, and it's in others rights to believe differently. As for Gods judgement? Not my criteria, but whoever taught you the last sentence is one lovely thoughtful person <3

you know what I find ridiculous is that all the atheist or people of some other religion or not is usually answering all these questions not a christian.

Okay tiger25691, answer some questions for us, please.

Because atheists are smart enough to answer.

I'll go and say "our perspective makes it easier"...

There would likely be far less issue with Christianity if more people had been raised under those ideas.

One of the reasons I really don't mind that philosophy. Even so, I'd rather be taught "think for myself" than anything else, but openess to others is equally valuble.

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qwerty1011
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Proof means something is real, materialistic, end of story. With faith people can reach an almost fervid level where everything that goes against their belief is wrong. Neither is really better. Proof is good because it's fact but with faith you can bring people together and I've seen how it can affect people. Both are powerful things. There are definitely many differences but it really depends on what a person is looking for to tell which is better.


But proof is right and faith is probably not right. Fact is better than fantasy.
Highfire
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Depends how you determine faith. He's talking about the entirety of faith, not just religious faith, and it is used by everyone, usually where social development arises. I have faith in my Dad, and I don't have faith in my brother in law, there's an example.
Also fact isn't better than fantasy, play World of Warcraft, it's freakin' awesome when you're new to it.

Or Starcraft...

Actually Mass Effect II, I voted it for Game of the Year <3

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Kasic
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I have faith in my Dad, and I don't have faith in my brother in law, there's an example.


This isn't the same. You could, if pressed, provide percise reasons why you have "faith" in your dad, and not your brother in law. With religion, it does not go beyond, "I have faith that he will."
Highfire
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This isn't the same. You could, if pressed, provide percise reasons why you have "faith" in your dad, and not your brother in law. With religion, it does not go beyond, "I have faith that he will."

Yes but as I said, he was talking about faith in its entirety. Therefore, faith has bad and good sides - proof really doesn't.

- H
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Oh, well then I guess that's the reason. I suppose moderate groups are more umm... understanding? Not sure if that's a good word for it


Aren't you Catholic? the most non-cult fanatical Christians on the planet! I am sure this is a personal belief held by many, and if more did the world would be a better place, however it is not taught by any Church I know of

It also specifically says that we (Atheists) will go to hell, if you don't believe this why follow all the other crap the bible has to 'offer'
Highfire
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It also specifically says that we (Atheists) will go to hell, if you don't believe this why follow all the other crap the bible has to 'offer'

On top of that, I have to do this again because... well hey, if you don't believe this then really speaking you can't be a Christian. If you do believe this, then why follow such a God?
Indeed, there are arguments that Christians do not follow that idealogy, but what about if God didn't follow previous Christians' idealogy? If he didn't, he didn't do anything to stop people being murdered in the name of him, he didn't bother aiding those resisting Christianity with undeniable proof. If you follow Christianity, then sorry, but you are siding with Gods contradictory and pretty merciless behaviour (or lack of behaviour).


You're siding with an evil God who allows innocent people (that he made) to suffer, because they did not bow down to him and sacrifice their independence.

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I follow God because like having God in my life. I like being able to talk to God and I hate seeing people in pain. So this religon is perfect for me. Well, the way I was taught it is perfect for me.

sprooschicken
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if those are your values then Catholicism definitely is not the religion for you

dair5
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Sure it is. Maybe they just teach it a little different where you are.

sprooschicken
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or perhaps they teach it differently where you are, however i take my knowledge of catholic beliefs from the pope, and he sure has a lot to say that i would rather he didnt

Prettykitty16
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Wasn't the thread about benevolent gods making evil about the same as this?

sprooschicken
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no?, because thats about, the question why would a benevolent god create evil, and this is about why there is a hell, i see absolutely no similarity?!

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If Satan is supposed to be evil, why does he punish bad people

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