Well a lot of people have been telling me evolution is real. They give me the most craziest surreal 'facts'. Has anyone discovered any fish with legs? Any humans with gills or fins? If you put all the pieces of a watch into you're pocket and shake it around for trillions of years, will it ever become a watch? Is there but one possibility? Or if you completely dismantle a chicken and a fish, and put it into a box, shaking it around for trillions of years. Will it ever become a fish with wings? or a chicken with fins? :l
Speaking requires a language, and it's inherent that they do not have the ability to do so.
but because an apes so intelligent, If I say dance it will dance. If I say make me a pie, it will do so if I give it ingredients and a mixer.
Because they do not know a human's language, nor have they invented their own languages. You *can* train them to perform mundane tasks, and you can teach them to perform commands by word, they just won't understand what you are saying.
And what's this guy telling then?
This guy is saying that evolution of the eye is impossible. However, this man has no clue how evolution works.
He claims: "Evolution DOES NOT: know, plain or think." Of course Evolution does not do those things. Evolution is not a tangible object, it is a process! It is an autonomous process that is dictated by how generations of species develop.
He claims: "Eyes, or any other trait, did not spread from one species to another." He is half right and half wrong. He is right in that nature cannot just take eyes from one species and plant them onto another. That is not how Evolution works. He is wrong in that the information in eyes can and will develop along with a species and can be a "memento" of their ancestor. If a species has this certain eyes and 100,000 years down the line is a shadow of its former self with traits they have been selecting for, then they will still have those eyes, yes? They never got rid of it, they kept the eyes. Further, if the conditions in the species' environment requires better eyes in order for species to survive, then the species will autonomously select for it. If you want to ask questions on this, reply about it.
He claims: "We have two eyes because we are bilateral. As are all creatures with eyes." Yeah, this guy has no clue what he is talking about.
He claims: "Plants can sense light, as can light sensitive bacteria. Neither of which possess a retina, opitc nerve or visual cortex." Uhmm...because trees have sensory organs that aren't present in other species, namely animals?
Yeah, I can tell this guy has no clue what he is talking about.
But no one taught an ape how to shoot guns or use weapons. but they succeeded. Thats what someone said on here. That apes did that to survive. If I put an ape in a cage with a vacuum plugged into a outlet, will it start or figure out how to vacuum? *-*
If you gave someone a gun, then they would figure out how to shoot it. If you give someone a vacuum they will figure out how to use it. Does that mean they will use it? No. I'm pretty sure a gorrila has no use for a vacuum cleaner. And when I was talking about apes, I meant us.
If apes are so intelligent why can't they learn english. We humans evolved from them. We are so alike to apes yes?
The difference was we autonomously selected for intelligence. Our way of life required wit, smarts, and reasoning to survive. Apes did not need this, they had pure brute strength. We do not have as much strength to just kill prey and fend off animals with our brute strength, so humans who could outsmart predators and devise alternate methods of killing prey were more successful, healthier, thus would survive amongst the others that couldn't. The ones that survived would reproduce. Down a ways more, humans would then select for even smarter humans for reproduction than just the humans with average intelligence.
Thought u were done freakinstein. Well welcome back lol. But I could teach an ape how to clean my room and it would right?
Does that mean they will use it? No. I'm pretty sure a gorrila has no use for a vacuum cleaner. And when I was talking about apes, I meant us.
But apes have intelligence? They actually learning how to use guns and kill for survival. They moved everywhere from west hemisphere to the east one. They all lost hair and grew more hair. They all found guns and killed with them. They multiplied and eventually evolved into humans.
If I put an ape in a cage with a vacuum plugged into a outlet, will it start or figure out how to vacuum? *-* Or a guitar plugged in a amp. ETC
That's not evolution, that's a question of that species intelligence. Do they have the mental capacity to realize that when this is pushed, that happens?
Thats what someone said on here. That apes did that to survive.
I don't think you quite understand.
Let's say group A of a species and group B of a species are living in a forest. A predator species migrates into the area and begins hunting them. Group A does not have the physical strength or speed to escape them, and is not camouflaged to hide from it. Group B is the same physically, but finds that by staying together in a group and throwing rocks or other objects at the predator, they can protect themselves. Group A dies because it could not adapt, and Group A survives and passes on the group behavior of using groups to survive and by throwing things.
You're still thinking of things FAR too suddenly. Another point in your example that didn't make sense, why would an Ape have a gun? Why would they ever need it? They're strong enough to beat down every other animal in their area, so they don't need weapons.
So, species select themself if they want their eyes or not. And do species then choose if they want a nose, a mouth etc.?
Think about what autonomously means. It means automatically, without any perceivable thought. This is not just about humans, but for all organisms. It goes without saying that those that have more developed eyes were better navigators. They could locate their food, locate potential mates, and locate predators and find a place to hide. If you had better developed eyes, you survived and reproduced the most. If you did not have very good eyes, you would survive and reproduce very poorly. These organisms did not think "Hey, these guys have good eyes, I'm going to mate with them". They mated because they were healthy, away from predators, and could get food more than those that had terrible eyes. So it's natural that those who were more fit than others would be better suited to that environment.
If apes are so intelligent why can't they learn english.
They can learn sign language. If you're claiming that any creature that dosen't speak is incapable of intelligence purely because they don't speak, then you're quite inconsiderate of the mute.
But I could teach an ape how to clean my room and it would right?
Yes you can if you want. This has nothing to do with Evolution, however.
But apes have intelligence? They actually learning how to use guns and kill for survival. They moved everywhere from west hemisphere to the east one. They all lost hair and grew more hair. They all found guns and killed with them. They multiplied and eventually evolved into humans.
Please think about what you are saying. Obviously, humans arrived before guns. We created them. Apes do have intelligence. All organisms have some degree of intelligence. If they had no cognitive strength, they would not function, period. It just depends on the degree of intelligence. Humans have the highest degree of intelligence. Apes are around tier 4 or 5, below dolphins and pigs.
They actually learning how to use guns and kill for survival. They moved everywhere from west hemisphere to the east one. They all lost hair and grew more hair. They all found guns and killed with them. They multiplied and eventually evolved into humans.
This is just crazy what you're saying. First of all, they moved everywhere -after- evolving from apes, and are no longer the same species. Secondly, they created devices to do what they could not. Thirdly, guns didn't just "oof" appear one day. They started with rocks and sticks, and someone combined those and made a spear, and someone threw that spear, and then the sling came around, and then someone discovered tension which allowed for a primitive bow to be made, which gradually got better until the discovery of gunpowder THOUSANDS of years later, which allowed guns to be made that were short range, inaccurate and long to reload.
If apes are so intelligent why can't they learn english.
Apes do not have the same vocal cords and mouth shapes as we do, thus they are incapable of making all the same sounds. Also as Dair said, some Apes have been taught sign language and they made up new words not taught to them before.
As for your whole gun thing... You're thinking stuff happened WAY too fast still. Guns just didn't suddenly appear, they are VERY recent in terms of the species history.
Let me clarify by saying all organisms with brains. You're going to rebuke me with Trees, I'm going to look silly, and then the moderation team is going to make me sit in the corner.
I'm not familiar with jellyfish anatomy and physiology, but if the jellyfish contains a cognitive cerebrum, it sends messages to the body to have it move and function, and it allows the jellyfish to think about what to do/where to go, then it has a degree of intelligence.
and too adda to that when humans breed wolves be mated the ones who were the fastest, over a coures of hundreds of years and BAM he have ifferent species of dogs,, there was no genetic mutation just getetic breeding
Yes genetic mutations can occur in this way. "A gene mutation is a permanent change in the DNA sequence that makes up a gene."
Um...rofl... You still didn't answer my question.. why do we still have apes -_-
Then look at my post because I did answer your question.
Exactly... No recordable changes.. the image I tried to post didn't work.. but it was a ape with an M16.. Still how would they just suddenly know how to shoot a gun..
The changes can sometimes be so slight they are unnoticeable. This is because there is no need for drastic changes to occur.
The development of guns came much later. Though tool use is not limited to our species, we have simply taken further than others.
Of course evolution doesn't work like that .. SO.. I'm really just an evolved brainiac ape? Aren't we all? Slow huh. In ten years I predict I'm turning into a human with wings, fangs and claws. ^_^
Evolution occurs on groups not individuals and it happens from one generation to the next, not in existing organisms. So the theory wouldn't say anything about you changing in such a way.
well i think humans are done evolving... see if theres a change then you are diognosed with a medical condition you you are just taller or fatter of ugly...
Again evolution deal with changes in groups not individuals. So if an entire population were to develop new common genetic traits, that would be evolution.
But no one taught an ape how to shoot guns or use weapons. but they succeeded. Thats what someone said on here. That apes did that to survive. If I put an ape in a cage with a vacuum plugged into a outlet, will it start or figure out how to vacuum? *-*
It might... Though I think you might be getting a bit off track with the development of potential and it's possible applications.
If apes are so intelligent why can't they learn english. We humans evolved from them. We are so alike to apes yes?
Apes don't have the physical capability to form human speech. Humans have a specific genetic mutation that allows us to speak in the way we do. Though they have managed to learn to to use sign language. They even learn how to communicate like this from each other. Washoe and the family teach Loulis to use sign language
As for your whole gun thing... You're thinking stuff happened WAY too fast still. Guns just didn't suddenly appear, they are VERY recent in terms of the species history.
They are also not evolution.
Are creatures with uncentralized brains considered inteligent, such as jellyfish?
I feel I need to repeat myself as to what evolution is.
Evolution is the change in allele frequency from one generation to the next within a population. Put simply it's decent with modification.
Notice how this is not simply change over time. Also notice how the changes have to effect the group, not just the individual. Also how the changes don't take place with the existing population but the changes happen to that groups children and their children's children, etc. So a person suddenly developing wings and fangs would not be evolution. We can hand to separate populations of the same species where changes happen to one but not the other. in this way we can get a vastly different species while still having something similar to what that species started off as.
