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http://www.owsexposed.com/ expresses the dark, dark reality behind this, quite frankly, idiots who want their money. They complain about big, evil corporations... on their ipad's and iphones, they whine about big businesses, then use the rest rooms at walmart... There hasn't been protests, these are riots. What's worse is that the police are being demonized for... DOING THEIR JOB and stopping these idiots. We have an American right to protest... we don' have a Right to murder, ****, and destroy.

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Freakenstein
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Sounds like a very objective citation you've got there.

danielo
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well, here in Israel we had it too, and i was one of them.

you just dont get it. the problme is that the rich get richer, adn the poor poorer. all of these dudes of wall street, who play with your money, the ones who dont want free medical treatment to everyone, because they will get less money, the one who dont want completly free education, because they will not get prophits. this is the problme.

they dont belive in "big concpiracy". the one who vandelise are just borde teens who use this to do ther vandalism.

oh, adn the last time i checked, no one got killed, and no one destroied anything. its ncie to say "ohh, let me go to my burger stand and stop trieng to do things!". they are the ones who will makr your life better, not your attitude.
thanks to peoples like you, netanyao is my president.
thanks to peopels like you, the republicans are strong, when all they want is to get everyone back to be good christians in ther cutton farms, making more money on the back of the weak and the poor.

so sorry if they make your life hard when they yell for change, but this is how revolutiens work.

im with them with all my heart, as well the ones in Barcelona, Paris, tel-aviv, jerusalem and anywher else.

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Most dont get it and dont want to. Shame really, we could have a nice world if we didnt allow our governments to be run by corporations.

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as i said in the tread "money make the world go around"- its not that ther is a conspiracy, a dark brotherhood of bill and worren, but it sjust that the rich can claim lands, cand declear ambargo on rules. i want my power back!
its nice to say "oh, here they cry again". in Israel, they said that the protesters are "just borde students", that they are "sushi eaters and stay in the cafe' all day " {in Israel, a main espacte of being an hipster, teh young peoples of Tel-aviv, who stereotiped as beign a little seperate from Israel, dont go to the army and stuff}.
they said that they are selfish, because they didnt protest for the poors, but for the middle-class, who cant live a proper life, can buy a house because every thing is so expensive, and the salarys are so low.

and all ther "shenanagens" as you call it, are there way for you to notice them. so you will rise your head from the little bubble you live in adn start to look at your country, start to care. you saying it like they need to stand in there houses and send demanding letters to the president.

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What's worse is that the police are being demonized for... DOING THEIR JOB and stopping these idiots.


In many cases the police were using excessive force, something they aren't supposed to do.
nichodemus
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Well, it helps if we don't demonize all businessmen and rich folk; many of them made every penny through their own rags to riches story.

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you just dont get it. the problme is that the rich get richer, adn the poor poorer.


I AM THE 99% THE RICH GET RICHER, THE POOR GET POO... hold on man, I'll play Call of Duty with you on my new computer later, I'm busy talking about how poor I am. THE RICH ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF US! THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT THEIR CUST... *iphone rings* Hello. OH, hey! I haven't talked to you in forever! Sorry I haven't answered my phone, the battery died. Luckily my phone provider let me upgrade to this iPhone for a pretty awesome price! This thing does EVERYTHING. Anyway, I have to protest against the capitalists.

Where was I? WE ARE THE 99%, AND WE'RE TIRED OF THE RICH GETTING TAX BREAKS. What do you mean nearly 60% of the nation doesn't pay taxes, and the top 10% pay 70% of our taxes? Well, they aren't paying enough!

I'm tired of working for less money than my boss! I'm the one doing all the work, I SHOULD BE THE ONE GETTING PAI-, sir, I'm busy... sir... listen, I would love to invest some of my money into your company but I don't like to take those kinds of risks. I can't afford to spend my money helping someone open a business, higher a staff, then hope that everything works out. That's just way too risky for me, now let me get back to spreading the word on how capitalism is evil. *clears throat* WHY SHOULD MY BOSS MAKE MORE MONEY THAN ME?! JUST BECAUSE HE TOOK A RISK BY INVESTING HIS OWN MONEY INTO THE BUSINESS AND PUT IT ALL ON THE LINE DOESN'T MEAN HE DESERVES MORE MONEY THAN I DO.

the ones who dont want free medical treatment to everyone


I'm sick. I demand you give me some of your money or I get some men to put you in a cell. You give me your money, I use it to pay for my health care. Was the healthcare free? For me, it was, for you, it wasn't. Please don't use the word free when it's clearly isn't free.

National health care might be free for you, but it IS NOT FREE. The police service? It's not free either. All of these things are payed for through taxes. The people on wall street really don't have anything to do with national health care, some of them oppose it and some of them would profit from Obama's health care plan that would FORCE US TO BUY HEALTH INSURANCE AND IMPRISON US IF WE DON'T.

For something to be free, there must NOT be coercion. If healthcare is free for you because someone else was FORCED to pay for it, then that is NOT freedom. The freedom to obtain something does not count as freedom when someone else is forced to pay for it.

the one who dont want completly free education, because they will not get prophits. this is the problme.


Education costs money. For education to be TRULY free, then education centers, or schools, must operate for free. This means the books must be free. For the books to be free, the people who printed the books would have to create the books without getting paid. The people who created the ink for the books, would in turn, not get paid as well as the people who chopped the trees to create the paper. If the people who chopped down the trees aren't getting paid, then they can't afford to pay for the machines they are running. All of these people need paid. When the government pays for these goods and services, they must tax the people. When the government taxes the people, then the people lose less spending power, in which case other people don't get paid. If I am taxed 1,000 dollar, then I will be unable to buy the xbox I wanted, or the new dress for my girlfriend, or all the books I wanted to buy, or travel to see family members in another state.

Please, explain to me, how is education supposed to be free? Oh, don't forget how ****ing bull**** free college is! Free college allows more people to get degrees. The high paying jobs are overflowed with people with degrees, forcing these people to work for jobs unrelated to their degrees, often jobs that are low pay. This makes it harder for people withotu a college degree to find a job because all the people who wasted 4 years has a job that shouldn't require an education. I'm not against college, nor am I against education, but when you try to make college education free, all you end up doing is making people work harder just to get a job! If college costs money, less people will go to college, meaning less people will have degrees. This means there will be more jobs open for people without college degrees, allowing people to find jobs right out of high school. The number of jobs don't necisarily increase, but most of the people working didn't have to waste 4 years in college. This also reduces the number of students who go to college for free. Students who have to pay for their education tend to be more responsible, therefore they're less likely to goof off in class. Free education allows people who won't commit to their studies to take up space, forcing people to wait for certain classes, or forcing these people to take other classes they didn't want to take. There's nothing worse than going to a class where most of the students don't want to learn, an education that costs money reduces the number of these students greatly.

thanks to peopels like you, the republicans are strong, when all they want is to get everyone back to be good christians in ther cutton farms, making more money on the back of the weak and the poor.


Slavery - forcing people to work for you. If they don't work for you, you punish them. If someone wants to work for another person, they aren't allowed to because they are the slave owner's property.

In the market, you are not a slave. You decide who you want to work for, and if you aren't happy, you can quit. You AGREE to work for these people. If it's so easy to open up a job, have people work for you, then rake in all the cash without lifting a finger, then why don't you start up your own business? It's not that easy. Businesses cost money and there's a lot of risk when it comes to starting a business. When you start a business, you put your life savings on the line. When you hire workers and your business fails, YOU'RE the one who loses all the money. YOU'RE the one who goes into debt. The workers, on the other hand, do not lost money, and they do not go into debt. They leave the job, able to find a new one. The person who starts a business is the one who puts his money on the line, he has the most to lose, therefore he should have the most to gain.

im with them with all my heart, as well the ones in Barcelona, Paris, tel-aviv, jerusalem and anywher else.


You're with them because they're anti-capitalism. That's the only similarity you have with them. You have nothing else in common with them because the occupy movement is completely undecided on what they want. The only thing they can agree with is "capitalism is evil".

Understand that businesses should NOT be able to persuade the government to pass unfair laws. But you NEED TO NEED TO NEED TO understand that this is NOT capitalism. Capitalism revolves around the FREE market. When a corporation bribes a politician to force smaller businesses to go through expensive procedures that put them out of business, or convinces the government to force the people to buy their product, then this is an act of CORPORATISM - NOT CAPITALISM. Capitalism and corporatism are NOT the same.

i want my power back!


You want your power back, so that you can tell the government that you want them to pay for your healthcare, forcing others to pay for healthcare they may not want to buy. You want power for yourself, but those who disagree with you motives, you do not care about their power. I don't want to pay taxes for national healthcare, but you won't stand up for my power to not pay for national healthcare, because it conflicts with your own want for power.

OP did misrepresent the occupy movement. There are quite a few protests where nothing bad has happened. However, the occupy movement is full of people who do not understand the solution to the problems.

Almost everyone can agree that corporations shouldn't have the power to bribe government, but the solution isn't to give the government more poewr, but less, because more government power is STILL CORRUPTIBLE. Small government is less corruptible. A government should always have the power to protect people's rights, as in, things the people are allowed to do (not entitled to have), but the government should NOT have the power to force businesses and people to cater to big business and unfair regulations that harm businesses and people.
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Alright, I made a few errors in my last post, mainly spelling errors along with one double negative. Oh well, I believe I made my point.

According to this site:

Top 1% pays for 36.73% of Federal Personal Income Tax.
Top 5% pays 58.66%
Top 10% pays 70.47%
Top 25% pays 87.30%
Top 50% pays 97.75%

Bottom 50% pays 2.25%

Hmm, clearly the top 1% aren't paying their fair share...

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I can tell you are from USA just from your respown.

The rich dont want to steal your money. they are not peresiter who want to take everything because thats how tehy were borned. yuo speak like they are another race, ther are the one with money, the good and the brave who help USA, and the poor, evil Cockroaches who only say"money ehheheeee... give me your money!".

in Israel, you dont need to pay for education. and you cant say that its because we dont have other things to do with our money. we have enemies on the borders and inside, that Threaten on our existence. but yet, i dont need to pay for going to shcool. if i get sick, i wont lose all my money, i wont need to "buy" hospitality.
and yes, i know that in USA its wrong to help your "Neighbors", but in other places, you do pay so everyone will live properly. its easy to say "so what? i dont want to support the poor". that how we lived in the 15th. the rich claimed that the poor are witchs, so they wont need to Deal with the guilt of see them starve to death.


you speak like a Completely selfish person.

this is why i hate the American capitalism. its just a bad way, a dark path of democracy for the rich, wher they tell to the mass what good for them, saying "look at the french, loosers! look at cuba, loosers! we are the only good state! usa! usa!", making them blind to what they can have. that what the republican use in USA, thats what Netanyau use in Israel. its a rotten system who want to keep the power to herself.

and yea, you dont have to live in the garbage to protest about your situation. everyone deserve to live properly, even if they can afford to buy Ipod, or fly abourd from time to time, but cant move on with ter life. cant end the month properly, get in trouble becuse debts to the groccer in Wall street. you dont have to live poor for wishing to live good.

so, when the revolution will come, as said at "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy", you are one of the peoles who will draged to the wall. oh wait, thats your polcie tactics, using pepper spray on Handcuffed protesters, without them doing nothing. shoot at the masses like in the start of the 19th. hit the crap out of them like they were rioters, with clubs, with the shields and horses, like they were gaul invaders {dosnet they do look like romans with all of these equipment???}.

you cant blame them for what they do. blame the socity eho made them to need to protest.

PS sorry about hte grammer, english is not my main Language.

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in Israel, you dont need to pay for education.


Sheesh, and where do you think your taxes go to? Or that the education legislators just pull money by the bucket from unmentionable anatomical sources?

you speak like a Completely selfish person.


No, you are mistaken. Corporatism is not capitalism. Also, a perfect example of people who are relatively well off but still protest is the kind of people who can post on Forums, meaning they have a computer and internet access. Someone like you. Which really doesn't make you poor.

What Nemo has no qualms about protesting against are those who are clearly downtrodden, and the innocents who are affected when corporations meddle in politics. What he doesn't support, are a bunch of people protesting and claiming to be the ''oor'', when essentially what they are protesting about is the fact that some other guy is richer than themselves. Which is a pathetic and callow reason when many of them communicate via social networks and modern, snazzy phones. Which indicates wealth.


so, when the revolution will come,


It seems to me now, that Occupy Wall Street is mostly a loosely organized mass strike, and not a revolution. A group of people throwing stones and protesting does not make a convincing case for a massive social change.
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The rich dont want to steal your money. they are not peresiter who want to take everything because thats how tehy were borned. yuo speak like they are another race, ther are the one with money, the good and the brave who help USA, and the poor, evil Cockroaches who only say"money ehheheeee... give me your money!".


You said that I speak of the poor as if they're evil cockroaches who demand money, which is untrue; the occupy protestors are the ones who are demanding more money. The Occupy Movement is all about forcing the rich to pay more taxes so that everyone else can have more money or "free" goods and services. So, yes, the protestors are essentially saying, "money ehheheeee... give me your money!"

in Israel, you dont need to pay for education. and you cant say that its because we dont have other things to do with our money. we have enemies on the borders and inside, that Threaten on our existence. but yet, i dont need to pay for going to shcool. if i get sick, i wont lose all my money, i wont need to "buy" hospitality.


Don't get me wrong, the healthcare system in America before Obama became president was not idea. Medical care in America can be cheap, and it can be incredibly expensive. The reason medical care is often expensive in America is because government regulations tend to be very expensive and boost the price of medicine sky high. Other issues that contribute to higher health care costs is the lack of competition between insurance companies. People are only allowed to receive healthcare from insurance companies within their state. People could choose better health coverage if they were allowed to pick out-of-state insurance companies.

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i know that in USA its wrong to help your "Neighbors", but in other places, you do pay so everyone will live properly.


Instead of forcing people to help others at a loss, you allow them to interact freely with one another so that they can both benefit off of one another.

For example, say we have a rich man and a poor man. How do get money from the rich man, and to the poor man?

-Your solution to this problem is to take the money from the rich man, and to give it to the poor man. This way, one man benefits off of the loss of another man.

You assume that if the rich man isn't forced to pay for the poor man, the poor man will simply remain poor. This is simply untrue.

Let's look at the other solution.

-Instead of forcing the rich man to give his money to the poor man, you allow the two men to bargain with one another. In this situation, the rich man agrees to give his money to the poor man, but the poor man must work for the rich man. In this situation, both men are benefiting off of each other! Not only do these men benefit each other, but they often benefit the public as well!

Let's suppose that the rich man owns a restaurant and allows the poor man to cook food for that restaurant. The rich man benefits because the poor man is helping him make money. The poor man benefits because he is making money for both himself and the rich man. Lastly, other people benefit because the rich and poor man are providing them with food! All three groups profit!

If you merely take money from the rich man and give it to the poor man, the only one person profits. The rich man gains no benefits and gets nothing in return. The poor man profits without having to work for the money. Lastly, the other people who benefited from the other scenario do not gain any benefits in this scenario. Because the poor man never worked as a cook, these people never benefited from a would-be service.

its easy to say "so what? i dont want to support the poor". that how we lived in the 15th. the rich claimed that the poor are witchs, so they wont need to Deal with the guilt of see them starve to death.


Actually, poor people in the 15th century often worked for food so that they wouldn't starve to death. However, this point is rather moot since we're comparing 15th century economics to free market economics.

you speak like a Completely selfish person.


"Let's suppose that the rich man owns a restaurant and allows the poor man to cook food for that restaurant. The rich man benefits because the poor man is helping him make money. The poor man benefits because he is making money for both himself and the rich man. Lastly, other people benefit because the rich and poor man are providing them with food! All three groups profit!

If you merely take money from the rich man and give it to the poor man, the only one person profits. The rich man gains no benefits and gets nothing in return. The poor man profits without having to work for the money. Lastly, the other people who benefited from the other scenario do not gain any benefits in this scenario. Because the poor man never worked as a cook, these people never benefited from a would-be service."

It's not selfish to propose people trade freely with one another. As you can see above, free trade benefits more people than wealth redistribution. If anything it's those who demand that they benefit from wealth redistribution who are selfish.

this is why i hate the American capitalism. its just a bad way, a dark path of democracy for the rich, wher they tell to the mass what good for them


Democracy for the rich? If you're referring to the rich who bribe politicians, then you're not referring to democracy, but rather, an oligarchy. This is a rather moot, however, because I do NOT support an oligarchy.

Nichodemus talked about my stance when it comes to economics and politics and he hit the nail on the head.

No, you are mistaken. Corporatism is not capitalism. Also, a perfect example of people who are relatively well off but still protest is the kind of people who can post on Forums, meaning they have a computer and internet access. Someone like you. Which really doesn't make you poor.

What Nemo has no qualms about protesting against are those who are clearly downtrodden, and the innocents who are affected when corporations meddle in politics. What he doesn't support, are a bunch of people protesting and claiming to be the ''oor'', when essentially what they are protesting about is the fact that some other guy is richer than themselves. Which is a pathetic and callow reason when many of them communicate via social networks and modern, snazzy phones. Which indicates wealth.


Thanks, Nicho! Well said.

so, when the revolution will come, as said at "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy", you are one of the peoles who will draged to the wall. oh wait, thats your polcie tactics, using pepper spray on Handcuffed protesters, without them doing nothing.


That is an ugly straw man argument you have there! Sure, I don't support the Occupy Movement, but that does NOT mean I believe they should be abused by the police or have their freedom of speech taken away! No matter how much I disagree with the Occupy Movement, I will defend their right to protest!

The incident with the pepper spray was wrong, and as much as I absolutely disagree with the Occupy Movement, I was proud to see the people push back the police. It was a wonderful sight to see, despite my overall disagreements with their economic ideology.

you cant blame them for what they do. blame the socity eho made them to need to protest.


The people are protesting because big corporations tell the government what regulations they should pass. These regulations harm the people and other businesses. The government and the media blames the free market for these regulations, so the people demand that the government creates more regulations. The politicians then promise more government regulations and the big corporations tell the government what regulations they should pass. These regulations harm the people and other businesses. The government and the media blames the free market for these regulations, so the people demand that the government creates more regulations. The politicians then promise more government regulations and the big corporations tell the government what regulations they should pass. These regulations harm the people and other businesses. The government and the media blames the free market for these regulations, so the people demand that the government creates more regulations. The politicians then promise more government regulations and the big corporations tell the government what regulations they should pass.

Notice a pattern?

Here's a clear and concise example as to how regulations harm the economy. I won't explain the video here, you'll just have to watch it for yourself.
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so, when the revolution will come,


from the 1st go it was obvius that it wont last long whit the winter on the doorstep already. beside they had no demands or names of corrupt people whatsoever. they had nothing to protest against and it was very bad timed.

whats more to say about it?
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its very easy to claim that "the poor are poor because they are stuiped/lazy/whatever". but its not. the problme with now days world is that its very hard to be rich, but its very easier to get richer.

i think, that a goverment do need to act. so, about the cabs thing: they need to be licenesd! you cant let anyone with a car to start drive peoples, even if they way they do it its quite slow adn wierd. in Israel, you have to registered befor, and have the standared cab colors. are all those peoples who showed in teh video pay taxex? you know that all of theme have friving license or when you enter you make a guese?

and your way of sharing money is quite too naive.peoples dont want to be pets for the rich so they can live, and i see no rich man offer as many jobs as he can to help his fellow humans. i think that the rich do need to pay more taxes. if unyil now everyone payed 10%, so a man that earn more than 60k a mounth will pay 12%. 100k? 15%. he wont get bankrupt, but yet another man would be able to send his andicape son to a speicel school without bankrupting himself, or another homeless will be able to have a hot meal and maybe a shelter to sleep in. this is what a country need to do, not privtes man. and you can sya that "why the rich man need to soppurt hte poor?". because if he was in this situation, anotehr man would help him.

and part 2, they dont say "destroy the corporations". they want more equality. they want the countries to help the poor, to help the middle-class who lose there houses because the banks lost in there "monopoly" game, gambling on the peoles money. is that look ok for you? and you take the rest of the world with you. you cant sya "its there bank, they can do everything they want with it". they dont say "he and he are bad". in Israel, we said "we cant keep soppurting the religios, who dont go to work and we "feed" theme with our taxes".

and yes, we protested in the summer, and in the winter the protest decrece. but yet, peoples keep to protest.

thats what i dont like in USA. this system may be good for the lucky rich, but the middle-classes can find themselve in the street like *paq* this. "your son got cancer? here the check, 90k pleaes {i just threw a number. it might be higher}." "a big company destroied your littel store? bad luck sir, have a nice sleep in the street".

my main say is, they dont do it for fun or because they hate USA, adn not because they want money. its because they want to live with dignity. because they dont want to work at 2 jobs just to end the mounth. so yea, maybe they cant compare to Vietnam or to afganistab, but yet, they want a better life. the world go foward, why only the richs can go with it, and the rest stay behind?

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its very easy to claim that "the poor are poor because they are stuiped/lazy/whatever". but its not. the problme with now days world is that its very hard to be rich, but its very easier to get richer.


You don't get it do you? Nemo has never said or claim these things. People are rich because they are more willing to take risks, they have the entrepreneur fire, they are more hardworking or intelligent. We're not dissing the common man; rather what we are saying is that some of these rich folk have that spark that made them rich.



and part 2, they dont say "destroy the corporations". they want more equality. they want the countries to help the poor, to help the middle-class who lose there houses because the banks lost in there "monopoly" game, gambling on the peoles money. is that look ok for you? and you take the rest of the world with you. you cant sya "its there bank, they can do everything they want with it". they dont say "he and he are bad". in Israel, we said "we cant keep soppurting the religios, who dont go to work and we "feed" theme with our taxes".


Equity and defeating corporatism might seem similar, and are intertwined at times, but they aren't mostly. Equity calls for wealth to be distributed more evenly. This I disagree with, the rich already pay an enormous amount of tax, barring them evading it through various means. If you want more equity, don't blame big businesses for running overseas to avoid taxes, which would result in fewer jobs, resulting in you getting poorer.

Again you're mixing up corporatism and equity. It is alright for OWS to protest the reckless largesse and behaviour of the banks; what is incredulous and almost hypocritical is when the people who bay for more wealth distribution often are well off enough for themselves. The very fact that you can own a computer, own a cellphone, own an Ipod, have a roof, have sufficient food, is enough. Of the survey done on demographics of protesters, 13% of them earned 75,000 US dollars and above. Greedy nitwicks.

but yet, they want a better life. the world go foward, why only the richs can go with it, and the rest stay behind?


Too bad for them. Behind many of the rich's history is one of sweat and toil. Your education systems are in shambles compared to the rest of the world. Look at your horrible math grades for instance. That indicates a much lower level of competitiveness in the world work force. And the trend has been ongoing for years.
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Danielo, you have made a number of contradictions.

and your way of sharing money is quite too naive.peoples dont want to be pets for the rich so they can live, and i see no rich man offer as many jobs as he can to help his fellow humans.


This sentence alone contradicts itself. You're criticizing the rich because they hire people to work for them, stating that nobody wants to be another man's &quotet", then you criticize the rich for not hiring more people. You keep flip flopping. Is it wrong for the rich to make people work for them, or is it wrong for them to not hire more people? Which one is it?

the problme with now days world is that its very hard to be rich, but its very easier to get richer.


You're telling me that it's too difficult for the poor to make money, yet...

i think, that a goverment do need to act. so, about the cabs thing: they need to be licenesd! you cant let anyone with a car to start drive peoples, even if they way they do it its quite slow adn wierd.


You have no problem when people lose their jobs due to government intervention.

You even said that the government regulates the color of taxis! Really? It's a COLOR. Why in God's name does the government need to regulate COLOR? There is literally no legitimate reason for them to do this.

and your way of sharing money is quite too naive.peoples dont want to be pets for the rich so they can live, and i see no rich man offer as many jobs as he can to help his fellow humans. i think that the rich do need to pay more taxes. if unyil now everyone payed 10%, so a man that earn more than 60k a mounth will pay 12%. 100k? 15%. he wont get bankrupt, but yet another man would be able to send his andicape son to a speicel school without bankrupting himself, or another homeless will be able to have a hot meal and maybe a shelter to sleep in. this is what a country need to do, not privtes man. and you can sya that "why the rich man need to soppurt hte poor?". because if he was in this situation, anotehr man would help him.


When people are given goods and services through tax dollars, the value of the service goes down while the price goes up.

I won't go into details, because it's a complicated mess that would take pages to explain, but college education is a failure.

College prices keep going up. Because college is less affordable, people expect the government to help the students pay for their college education. Of course, when the government helps these students pay for their college education, COLLEGE PRICES CONTINUE TO RISE.

I can go on for pages explaining how the college system is ****ed up, and how government coercion allows greedy people to take advantage of the people.

my main say is, they dont do it for fun or because they hate USA, adn not because they want money. its because they want to live with dignity. because they dont want to work at 2 jobs just to end the mounth. so yea, maybe they cant compare to Vietnam or to afganistab, but yet, they want a better life. the world go foward, why only the richs can go with it, and the rest stay behind?


In America, you could easily have a family where the man went to work, the mother stayed at home to raise the child, and they could pay their house off. Today, both parents have to work just to pay off their house! The funny thing is, this all started to happen after the government started handing out more money.

thats what i dont like in USA. this system may be good for the lucky rich, but the middle-classes can find themselve in the street like *paq* this. "your son got cancer? here the check, 90k pleaes {i just threw a number. it might be higher}." "a big company destroied your littel store? bad luck sir, have a nice sleep in the street".


In a free market, prices decrease. Medical care would be affordable by almost everyone if we allowed the free market to act without government getting involved. However, some services may remain incredibly expensive. It may still cost people a lot of money to keep a cancer patient alive. Whenever the government pays for these people, the debt is still there, and someone still has to pay it off.

I won't continue to explain my case because it requires you to understand how prices work.
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