What can ya do, the world's map has been and will continue to change forever. Seriously though the only people in Turkey that hate Armenians are those idiotic fat nerds who post all those videos and comments on Youtube etc... The commonpeople of our nation don't hold any natural prejudices. Though it doesn't mean that we want to lose the beautiful shape that our country hold right now Peace.
Yeah well talk about names, have you heard any Canadian towns? They kinda remind me of redskins... It's just how the world goes sorry.
Both nations lack enough proof wether or not it was a genocide, until Armenia opens it's archives to anthropoligists and historians, we cannot officially accept our error, it's just common sense. But we're in a new Era now, an Era where peace comes before everything to us people. An Era where patriotism should not lead to conflict and where money and greed are only of higher importance to bad people. Forget about past conflicts and mis-interpreted events.
White pyramids have been discovered in China. Making Turks THE FIRST PEOPLE TO BUILD PYRAMIDS AND THE ONES TO HAVE BUILT THE LARGEST PYRAMIDS ON EARTH. But of course China is keeping this a huge secret and they are not letting anyone approach the pyramids. It is such a disgrace to us. Darn communists.
Both nations lack enough proof wether or not it was a genocide, until Armenia opens it's archives to anthropoligists and historians, we cannot officially accept our error, it's just common sense.
I think you need to read up on the topic. The majority of historians agree it was genocide as well as over 20 countries.
Only countries like the US have refused to officially agree it was genocide because of their close relations with Turkey. The Turkey diplomat of the US was, for example, immediately recalled when Obama mentioned signing it.
While the events may have been over 95 years ago, the denial of Turkey to accept it has furthered the conflict. Recently Turkey even threatened to deport 100,000 Armenians living in Turkey. Tensions are still high and the Armenian populace still holds a great hate and continues to lead marches, demonstrations, and celebrations to mourn for the victims as well as an attempt to urge the Turkish government to accept it as genocide.
So your idealist talk of a "new Era" doesn't really seem to be true.
So your idealist talk of a "new Era" doesn't really seem to be true.
If you and your country want to continue fighting, that's a bad idea, considering we have the 7th most powerful army in the world. Just sayin.
Tensions are still high and the Armenian populace still holds a great hate and continues to lead marches, demonstrations, and celebrations to mourn for the victims as well as an attempt to urge the Turkish government to accept it as genocide.
So basically you're saying since they have nothing else to do in their spare time they're occupying it by mourning on and protesting against the denial of a historical event that happened 95 years ago WHEN TURKEY WASN'T EVEN A FOUNDED REPUBLIC AND WAS STILL THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE.
You need to rethink that seriously. But for now, Peace.
Only countries like the US have refused to officially agree it was genocide because of their close relations with Turkey.
The US maintains military installations in Turkey, which are in the process of being phased out and removed. The Turks have told the US they don't want us on their land anymore, which is fine really. However it is leaving a power vacuum in the east, which is part of the political motivations for our current wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
If you and your country want to continue fighting, that's a bad idea, considering we have the 7th most powerful army in the world. Just sayin.
Yep. And you only use it on helpless nations, like Cyprus, or on your own citizens simply because they are of a different culture. Fantastic thing to brag about.
So basically you're saying since they have nothing else to do in their spare time they're occupying it by mourning on and protesting against the denial of a historical event that happened 95 years ago WHEN TURKEY WASN'T EVEN A FOUNDED REPUBLIC AND WAS STILL THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE.
I'm sure these people have other things to do with their time. However when the government is denying these atrocities it definitely has a tendency to upset it's citizens. Before you dismiss people's motives off hand perhaps you should try to be a bit empathetic with them. As it is most of your posts portray you as a close minded, marginally educated bigot. Perhaps you want to look into changing that.
As it is most of your posts portray you as a close minded, marginally educated bigot
I was educated first in a British and then in an American School. Never went to Turkish school in my life.
Yep. And you only use it on helpless nations, like Cyprus, or on your own citizens simply because they are of a different culture. Fantastic thing to brag about.
I am not bragging, I am pointing out that a war would be a very bad idea considering Armenia doesn't have much of an army. It's a bit like the Georgia-Russia thing if you think about it.
Before you dismiss people's motives off hand perhaps you should try to be a bit empathetic with them
I wouldn't care a bit about something that happened a century ago. Would you ? It depends on how emotional the person is I guess, and that cannot be argued.
I was educated first in a British and then in an American School. Never went to Turkish school in my life.
It doesn't matter where you went to school. I said you come across like a closed minded bigot. If you don't understand that then I suggest you look up the definitions.
I am not bragging, I am pointing out that a war would be a very bad idea considering Armenia doesn't have much of an army. It's a bit like the Georgia-Russia thing if you think about it.
My point is that such an action would not be without consequences for Turkey on the world stage. I believe that your politicians understand that since they have been decidedly less insulting and aggressive toward their neighbors in recent years.
I wouldn't care a bit about something that happened a century ago. Would you ?
I would if it was something as atrocious as the genocide of my people. That's like saying the Jews have no right to be mad about the holocaust anymore. That's a statement made without any empathy for your subject. If you can't put yourself in their shoes then perhaps you shouldn't be commenting on how they should or should not feel.
I have direct relations to the E.U. and I can assure you that our entry has nothing to do with Cyprus.
Actually it does. Seeing as greece is a member state they can exercise their veto on turkish entry, which they would no doubt gladly do. That said, turkey shouldnt be let anywhere near the eu til they sort their own house out. You recenty put down a military coup for christs sake.
That and you lot have to stop discriminating against kurds, and also accept blame for the well documented armenian genocide.
And lets not forget that if you were let in, because of the stupid way the eu is organised, you would have massive power due to your big population and be able to change the rules of the eu itself, something none of the existing members are keen on.
Learn this, countries never give back land that they own.
Pretty much every empire in history up to this point proves otherwise.
Opinion has no place in Politics.
Really? Then why arent turkey in the eu yet? Opinion is very important in politics. Politics is basically the act of compromising lots of different opinions and forming some sort of workable policy.
I would if it was something as atrocious as the genocide of my people.
This has not been proven yet though for gods sake. And why does the President of the Republic have to apologize for our barbaric ancestral Empire's actions? Poor guy :P
I believe that your politicians understand that since they have been decidedly less insulting and aggressive toward their neighbors in recent years.
Yes and this concludes my point about a new era. Look Mr.Walker, my father has written over 8 books about Turkey's Past, Present, Future and European Union related responsibilites and mistakes.
I understand fully that you are explaining in this thread why we are not eligible to enter at the moment. But please do believe this when I say that we regret every single bad action and that we are trying our hardest and our best to make it up by mantaining Peace and starting new relationships and negotitions. In the near future Cyprus will be returned, the Armenian Genocide will be proved or disproved and necessary actions will be taken and we will enter the European Union one day or the other.
Now let's please call it a day and stop commenting on this, I am tired out mentally from having talked about my Motherland for so long when I am staring out my window right now and seeing how beautiful and peaceful it is out here.
Goodnight to you all.
For a Peaceful and Brighter Future for both Turkey and our Neighbor Countries
Now let's please call it a day and stop commenting on this, I am tired out mentally from having talked about my Motherland for so long when I am staring out my window right now and seeing how beautiful and peaceful it is out here.
Well, you do that. But I think you are forgetting that some of us live in different time zones.
For a Peaceful and Brighter Future for both Turkey and our Neighbor Countries
Hooray! That sounds like a good goal, why don't other people follow that example?
What are you basing that on? I cant see it happening for a generation at least. Not whilst its still so close in the memory. It was only 40 years ago there was a war over the island after all.
the Armenian Genocide will be proved or disproved and necessary actions will be taken and we will enter the European Union one day or the other.
It has been proven. People that deny the armenian genocide are just as illogical and hateful as holocaust deniers. Except because no one really cares about or knows anything about armenia the turks still get away with it. Its insulting to the memories of the millions who died and shouldnt be tolerated by the international community.
