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woody_7007

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Posted January 11, '09 1:01pm UTC

A: The militants have been rocketing and attacking Israel for decades.

Since the Qassam rocket attacks began in 2000 15 Israelis have been killed. 830 Palestinians have alreadydied on this single operation, so its not exact;y like for like is it? You didn't reply to the fact that a quarter of the people dead are children either.

B: The Hamas is a group who's goal is to kill Jews and wipe Israel off they map.

Of course it is, they don't belive they should be there in the firts place, as it is their land, at least in living memory.

C:They are a threat to others, and are ruining life for everyone in the Gaza strip. Some citizens will die in this war, that is inevitable in war, but in the end the rest will be free, and a dangerous world threat will be gone.

Bombing 2 schools isn't exactly 'war'. Israel seem like a more dangerous world threat, especially when you consider the fact they jepeordise the entire middle east and possibly the world by dragging the US into the fray, and when you consider Iran support Palestine, things could turn ugly.

As for the citizens, they are not even *****ing. Want to know why? They support Israel. They would rather take the risk of dieing then rather be victim to the rest of there lives under Hamas reign.

For one thing many of the citizens despise Israel as most of them were forcibly removed from their homes or have been affected in some way by the war. Also, how do you know this? Have you ever lived in a combat zone, worried every day if you will be shelled/bombed or had a loved one killed by the Israelis? For all the people that do not support Hamas, they are united not by positive but negatives, ie they both hate Israel.

[quote]A: The militants have been rocketing and attacking Israel for decades.[/quote]\r\n\r\nSince the Qassam rocket attacks began in 2000 15 Israelis have been killed. 830 Palestinians have alreadydied on this single operation, so its not exact;y like for like is it? You didn't reply to the fact that a quarter of the people dead are children either.\r\n\r\n[quote]B: The Hamas is a group who's goal is to kill Jews and wipe Israel off they map.[/quote]\r\n\r\nOf course it is, they don't belive they should be there in the firts place, as it is their land, at least in living memory.\r\n\r\n[quote]C:They are a threat to others, and are ruining life for everyone in the Gaza strip. Some citizens will die in this war, that is inevitable in war, but in the end the rest will be free, and a dangerous world threat will be gone.[/quote]\r\n\r\nBombing 2 schools isn't exactly 'war'. Israel seem like a more dangerous world threat, especially when you consider the fact they jepeordise the entire middle east and possibly the world by dragging the US into the fray, and when you consider Iran support Palestine, things could turn ugly.\r\n\r\n[quote]As for the citizens, they are not even *****ing. Want to know why? They support Israel. They would rather take the risk of dieing then rather be victim to the rest of there lives under Hamas reign.[/quote]\r\n\r\nFor one thing many of the citizens despise Israel as most of them were forcibly removed from their homes or have been affected in some way by the war. Also, how do you know this? Have you ever lived in a combat zone, worried every day if you will be shelled/bombed or had a loved one killed by the Israelis? For all the people that do not support Hamas, they are united not by positive but negatives, ie they both hate Israel.

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LiL_GaNgSta_BlAzE

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Posted January 11, '09 8:18pm UTC

Well right now, I belive like others have said, that this conflict will escalate into something much bigger. Or on the other hand, it could be stopped, and then there would be another short moment of &quoteice". I have been watching CNN, (seems like they are the only one's who stay on that topic) and I think that something is going on.

I mean both sides are responsible for something. You can not just blame one side, and say that the other is a becon of hope. Because if you did not know this, neither Hamas, nor Israeil allow the media to recorde information. Only information that is allowed to be sent out, is information that is veiwd and scanned by the forces.

So this brings up a question, Who really is "helping" and who realy is "destroying"?

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Ricador

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Posted January 11, '09 10:38pm UTC

Of course it is, they don't belive they should be there in the firts place, as it is their land, at least in living memory.

That is definitely debatable. Plus, they also believe in Hitlers motives and they say they want all Jews dead, not just Israel. Quote one of the Hamas's leaders:

The problem with Hitler was he was not efficient enough

Since the Qassam rocket attacks began in 2000 15 Israelis have been killed. 830 Palestinians have alreadydied on this single operation, so its not exact;y like for like is it? You didn't reply to the fact that a quarter of the people dead are children either.

They started it. You want to start fucking around with a strong country? Go ahead, you will get you're ass wooped. Plus, if we do not defeat them now they would only grow stronger and beef up there attacks in Israel.

Bombing 2 schools isn't exactly 'war'. Israel seem like a more dangerous world threat, especially when you consider the fact they jepeordise the entire middle east and possibly the world by dragging the US into the fray, and when you consider Iran support Palestine, things could turn ugly.

How can you call them a world threat? Woody, i am sorry but currently i have to say i cannot believe a person like you is wearing a military uniform.

They are not jeopardizing the Middle East, plus, the United States is staying out of this, although i think we should help. But the reason they are calling for us is because we are the only other country that is not a complete Pu.ssy >.>

For one thing many of the citizens despise Israel as most of them were forcibly removed from their homes or have been affected in some way by the war. Also, how do you know this? Have you ever lived in a combat zone, worried every day if you will be shelled/bombed or had a loved one killed by the Israelis? For all the people that do not support Hamas, they are united not by positive but negatives, ie they both hate Israel.

Well, of course they are worried, and yes, thye are being removed. But so far they have not complained in mass to the media or to anybody for Israel to stop. It's like when the U.S. first went into Iraq, they were happy we were there because they were willing to take that risk to have what they felt as a great threat eliminated.

[quote]Of course it is, they don't belive they should be there in the firts place, as it is their land, at least in living memory.[/quote]\r\n\r\nThat is definitely debatable. Plus, they also believe in Hitlers motives and they say they want all Jews dead, not just Israel. Quote one of the Hamas's leaders: \r\n\r\n[quote]The problem with Hitler was he was not efficient enough[/quote]\r\n\r\n[quote]Since the Qassam rocket attacks began in 2000 15 Israelis have been killed. 830 Palestinians have alreadydied on this single operation, so its not exact;y like for like is it? You didn't reply to the fact that a quarter of the people dead are children either.[/quote]\r\n\r\nThey started it. You want to start fucking around with a strong country? Go ahead, you will get you're ass wooped. Plus, if we do not defeat them now they would only grow stronger and beef up there attacks in Israel.\r\n\r\n[quote]Bombing 2 schools isn't exactly 'war'. Israel seem like a more dangerous world threat, especially when you consider the fact they jepeordise the entire middle east and possibly the world by dragging the US into the fray, and when you consider Iran support Palestine, things could turn ugly.[/quote]\r\n\r\nHow can you call them a world threat? Woody, i am sorry but currently i have to say i cannot believe a person like you is wearing a military uniform. \r\n\r\nThey are not jeopardizing the Middle East, plus, the United States is staying out of this, although i think we should help. But the reason they are calling for us is because we are the only other country that is not a complete Pu.ssy >.>\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote]For one thing many of the citizens despise Israel as most of them were forcibly removed from their homes or have been affected in some way by the war. Also, how do you know this? Have you ever lived in a combat zone, worried every day if you will be shelled/bombed or had a loved one killed by the Israelis? For all the people that do not support Hamas, they are united not by positive but negatives, ie they both hate Israel.[/quote]\r\n\r\nWell, of course they are worried, and yes, thye are being removed. But so far they have not complained in mass to the media or to anybody for Israel to stop. It's like when the U.S. first went into Iraq, they were happy we were there because they were willing to take that risk to have what they felt as a great threat eliminated.

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woody_7007

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Posted January 11, '09 11:21pm UTC

That is definitely debatable. Plus, they also believe in Hitlers motives and they say they want all Jews dead, not just Israel. Quote one of the Hamas's leaders:

I am not defending Hamas, merely condemning the actions of Israel. Again I will say bombing a school with children inside, in my eyes is morally wrong.

They started it. You want to start ****ing around with a strong country? Go ahead, you will get you're *** wooped. Plus, if we do not defeat them now they would only grow stronger and beef up there attacks in Israel.

For one thing, when you go back to the 50s, the Israelis were extremely antagonistic and were first to declare war on Palestine. So they started it.

How can you call them a world threat? Woody, i am sorry but currently i have to say i cannot believe a person like you is wearing a military uniform.

They are not jeopardizing the Middle East, plus, the United States is staying out of this, although i think we should help. But the reason they are calling for us is because we are the only other country that is not a complete Pu.ssy >.>

I can call them a world threat because of the alliances. With Iran and all other arab nations in the area calling for Israel to be destoryed and with the US supporting Israel, if either side steps in to help their allies it could set of a chain reaction, much like the beginning of world war one and a much bigger conflict.

Considering you know next to nothing about me or my motives in joining the military I wont take much notice of that. Maybye because you are from the US and so won't understand this, but not everyone who wants to join the military is a right wing Israeli sympathiser. In fact most pilots in the fast jet community feel uneasy about this crisis. A pilot on leave in London was attacked by a pro Palestinian mob, so how could I not be concerned by this? Even if I am a pilot, does that mmean I should support air strikes on civilians? That isnt what I signed up to do. Therefore why should I support a nation that advocates it?

[quote]That is definitely debatable. Plus, they also believe in Hitlers motives and they say they want all Jews dead, not just Israel. Quote one of the Hamas's leaders: [/quote]\r\n\r\nI am not defending Hamas, merely condemning the actions of Israel. Again I will say bombing a school with children inside, in my eyes is morally wrong.\r\n\r\n[quote]They started it. You want to start ****ing around with a strong country? Go ahead, you will get you're *** wooped. Plus, if we do not defeat them now they would only grow stronger and beef up there attacks in Israel.[/quote]\r\n\r\nFor one thing, when you go back to the 50s, the Israelis were extremely antagonistic and were first to declare war on Palestine. So they started it.\r\n\r\n[quote]How can you call them a world threat? Woody, i am sorry but currently i have to say i cannot believe a person like you is wearing a military uniform.\r\n\r\nThey are not jeopardizing the Middle East, plus, the United States is staying out of this, although i think we should help. But the reason they are calling for us is because we are the only other country that is not a complete Pu.ssy >.>[/quote]\r\n\r\nI can call them a world threat because of the alliances. With Iran and all other arab nations in the area calling for Israel to be destoryed and with the US supporting Israel, if either side steps in to help their allies it could set of a chain reaction, much like the beginning of world war one and a much bigger conflict.\r\n\r\nConsidering you know next to nothing about me or my motives in joining the military I wont take much notice of that. Maybye because you are from the US and so won't understand this, but not everyone who wants to join the military is a right wing Israeli sympathiser. In fact most pilots in the fast jet community feel uneasy about this crisis. A pilot on leave in London was attacked by a pro Palestinian mob, so how could I not be concerned by this? Even if I am a pilot, does that mmean I should support air strikes on civilians? That isnt what I signed up to do. Therefore why should I support a nation that advocates it?

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LiL_GaNgSta_BlAzE

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Posted January 12, '09 4:31am UTC

They are not jeopardizing the Middle East, plus, the United States is staying out of this, although i think we should help. But the reason they are calling for us is because we are the only other country that is not a complete Pu.ssy >.>

No, the other contries are not p*ssies for not joining in the conflict. Think like this:

a) You are a contry already involved in a conflict in another war, yet just because an allie is in a conflict, in yet another war, with a contry/area that you have no problem with. Why would you stick your head in the fray? You let those two contries settle it, unless your ally needs/want's your help.

b) You get your self stuck in a war, that dose not concern you, nor do you belong in it. The people in your contry do not agree with the war, nor do they think you should perticipate in it. So really there for, your just asking for a lot of anger, and agressive-ness when you enter a war, that you can by-pass.

So, a country that dose not enter a war, is not a p*ussy, but a country that feels like they have no objective/purpose in entering.

[quote]They are not jeopardizing the Middle East, plus, the United States is staying out of this, although i think we should help. But the reason they are calling for us is because we are the only other country that is not a complete [b]Pu.ssy [/b]>.>[/quote]\r\n\r\nNo, the other contries are not p*ssies for not joining in the conflict. Think like this: \r\n\r\na) You are a contry already involved in a conflict in another war, yet just because an allie is in a conflict, in yet another war, with a contry/area that you have no problem with. Why would you stick your head in the fray? You let those two contries settle it, unless your ally needs/want's your help.\r\n\r\nb) You get your self stuck in a war, that dose not concern you, nor do you belong in it. The people in your contry do not agree with the war, nor do they think you should perticipate in it. So really there for, your just asking for a lot of anger, and agressive-ness when you enter a war, that you can by-pass.\r\n\r\nSo, a country that dose not enter a war, is not a p*ussy, but a country that feels like they have no objective/purpose in entering.

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Ricador

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Posted January 12, '09 4:34am UTC

Again I will say bombing a school with children inside, in my eyes is morally wrong.

There were Hamas officials inside. It's a smart place to hide, but this is where the blame starts to fall on the Hamas, they are using civilians as a shield. They refuse to fight out where the citizens will not be dangered. That to me does not exactly say "good government".

I can call them a world threat because of the alliances. With Iran and all other arab nations in the area calling for Israel to be destoryed and with the US supporting Israel, if either side steps in to help their allies it could set of a chain reaction, much like the beginning of world war one and a much bigger conflict.

So, basically, wait you are saying is it is a bad thing that the United States supports Israel not being destroyed by Iran. So even though Iran and the Hamas want Israel destroyed, and the Hamas still rocket them after warnings, Israel si still the threat.

My friend, you should check out my thread on general ignorance.

Considering you know next to nothing about me or my motives in joining the military I wont take much notice of that. Maybye because you are from the US and so won't understand this, but not everyone who wants to join the military is a right wing Israeli sympathiser. In fact most pilots in the fast jet community feel uneasy about this crisis. A pilot on leave in London was attacked by a pro Palestinian mob, so how could I not be concerned by this? Even if I am a pilot, does that mmean I should support air strikes on civilians? That isnt what I signed up to do. Therefore why should I support a nation that advocates it?

Maybe we just have different customs. That's fine though, i don't mind not being a pu.ssy.

[quote]Again I will say bombing a school with children inside, in my eyes is morally wrong.[/quote]\r\n\r\nThere were Hamas officials inside. It's a smart place to hide, but this is where the blame starts to fall on the Hamas, they are using civilians as a shield. They refuse to fight out where the citizens will not be dangered. That to me does not exactly say "good government".\r\n\r\n[quote]I can call them a world threat because of the alliances. With Iran and all other arab nations in the area calling for Israel to be destoryed and with the US supporting Israel, if either side steps in to help their allies it could set of a chain reaction, much like the beginning of world war one and a much bigger conflict.[/quote]\r\n\r\nSo, basically, wait you are saying is it is a bad thing that the United States supports Israel not being destroyed by Iran. So even though Iran and the Hamas want Israel destroyed, and the Hamas still rocket them after warnings, Israel si still the threat.\r\n\r\nMy friend, you should check out my thread on general ignorance.\r\n\r\n[quote]Considering you know next to nothing about me or my motives in joining the military I wont take much notice of that. Maybye because you are from the US and so won't understand this, but not everyone who wants to join the military is a right wing Israeli sympathiser. In fact most pilots in the fast jet community feel uneasy about this crisis. A pilot on leave in London was attacked by a pro Palestinian mob, so how could I not be concerned by this? Even if I am a pilot, does that mmean I should support air strikes on civilians? That isnt what I signed up to do. Therefore why should I support a nation that advocates it?[/quote]\r\n\r\nMaybe we just have different customs. That's fine though, i don't mind not being a pu.ssy.

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CoNsuRaL

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Posted January 12, '09 3:48pm UTC

They dont kill Hamas soldiers.THEY KILL THE PEOPLE.THEY KILL BABIES AND CHILDREN!THIS TERROR MUST BE STOPPED.WHY ARE YOU STAYING SILENT

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Ricador

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Posted January 12, '09 4:00pm UTC

They dont kill Hamas soldiers.THEY KILL THE PEOPLE.THEY KILL BABIES AND CHILDREN!THIS TERROR MUST BE STOPPED.WHY ARE YOU STAYING SILENT

In the first five minutes they wiped out 50 targets which they were 100% sure had Hamas in them. They have also wiped out all of there military compounds.

I understand they have killed some civilians that got caught in the blast, but, you need to stop listening to what the media is shoving up you're ass and take a different perspective on this.

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CoNsuRaL

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Posted January 12, '09 4:22pm UTC

I understand they have killed some civilians that got caught in the blast

'Got caught in the blast' that is how you say it?They used some rockets that illegal to product and use.THEY ARE BOMBARDING THE WHOLE CITY DAMN S***!NOT ONLY HAMAS,THE 1.5 MILLION PEOPLE ARE UNDER FIRE THERE!TOUSANDS OF THEM DEAD OR ALMOST DYING.ISREAL IS TRYING TO HIT THE WHOLE PLACE.
And im not listening to media.Im listening and seeing the truth.DEAD CHILDREN.CRYING FATHERS,MOTHERS.HOW CAN YOU STILL SUPPORT ISREAL?THIS IS CRAZY.YOU PEOPLE ARE JUST IGNORING IT!
Who will stop this MURDER?!

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woody_7007

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Posted January 12, '09 5:15pm UTC

There were Hamas officials inside. It's a smart place to hide, but this is where the blame starts to fall on the Hamas, they are using civilians as a shield. They refuse to fight out where the citizens will not be dangered. That to me does not exactly say "good government".

Errm no theree werent actually any Hamas inside at all. They were makeshift refugee camps run by the UN for citizens fleeing the North of the city. Like i said before, even if Israelis do kill Hamas in these strikes will it give them peace in the long term? No. The relatives of friends and loved ones will become willing Hamas supporters, so even if they kill Hamas it will not give them peace or stability in the long term.

So, basically, wait you are saying is it is a bad thing that the United States supports Israel not being destroyed by Iran. So even though Iran and the Hamas want Israel destroyed, and the Hamas still rocket them after warnings, Israel si still the threat.

My friend, you should check out my thread on general ignorance.

No I am saying that because of the alliances in the middle east if either sides allies get involved it could escalate into something far bigger in scale and more serious. Especially when you consider the fact that Iran is a becoming a nuclear power and obbviously the US laready has nuclear weapons. If you do not think Israels aggressive policy in Gaza could possibly set of a catastrophic chain of events in the middle east then you my friend have not learned the lessons of history.

Maybe we just have different customs. That's fine though, i don't mind not being a pu.ssy.

I didnt know the bombing of women and children was a US custom? I will be sure to remember that. Also I didnt know that the bombing of woment and children was courageous? Its funny, when Al Qaeda perpetrated 911 it was condemned as a cowardly attack on innocent civilians, but when Israel strategically airstrikes UN refugee camps it is courageous. Fascinating logic my friend.

[quote]There were Hamas officials inside. It's a smart place to hide, but this is where the blame starts to fall on the Hamas, they are using civilians as a shield. They refuse to fight out where the citizens will not be dangered. That to me does not exactly say "good government".[/quote]\r\n\r\nErrm no theree werent actually any Hamas inside at all. They were makeshift refugee camps run by the UN for citizens fleeing the North of the city. Like i said before, even if Israelis do kill Hamas in these strikes will it give them peace in the long term? No. The relatives of friends and loved ones will become willing Hamas supporters, so even if they kill Hamas it will not give them peace or stability in the long term.\r\n\r\n[quote]So, basically, wait you are saying is it is a bad thing that the United States supports Israel not being destroyed by Iran. So even though Iran and the Hamas want Israel destroyed, and the Hamas still rocket them after warnings, Israel si still the threat.\r\n\r\nMy friend, you should check out my thread on general ignorance.[/quote]\r\n\r\nNo I am saying that because of the alliances in the middle east if either sides allies get involved it could escalate into something far bigger in scale and more serious. Especially when you consider the fact that Iran is a becoming a nuclear power and obbviously the US laready has nuclear weapons. If you do not think Israels aggressive policy in Gaza could possibly set of a catastrophic chain of events in the middle east then you my friend have not learned the lessons of history.\r\n\r\n[quote]Maybe we just have different customs. That's fine though, i don't mind not being a pu.ssy.[/quote]\r\n\r\nI didnt know the bombing of women and children was a US custom? I will be sure to remember that. Also I didnt know that the bombing of woment and children was courageous? Its funny, when Al Qaeda perpetrated 911 it was condemned as a cowardly attack on innocent civilians, but when Israel strategically airstrikes UN refugee camps it is courageous. Fascinating logic my friend.

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Skyla

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Posted January 12, '09 7:20pm UTC

I wanted to pick out all the people supporting Israel and post cricitizing responses to them, but there was (surprisingly) too many of them to do so, and so I'll just state the facts.

Israel took Palestine BY FORCE. Palestine belongs to the Palestinians, Israel is not a real country. The Israeli's walked into Palestine destroying hundreds of thousands of homes and killing thousands. Israel is also using illegal elements on the Palestinians, burning and permenantly damaging the population, and the "UN" or US aren't doing anything about it. The whole of it just makes me sick.

That's what they get for being complete idiots.
I completely agree with whats Israel is doing.

You ignorant fool, Palestine belonged to the Palestinians originally, Israel has no right to be doing this to them.

Personally, i support the bombing of the Gaza Strip 100%. The Hamas are a dangerous threat to the Middle East and the world, they need to be eliminated.

Ricador? I must say I am surprised. Hamas are pretty much just retaliating to what Israel has done to Palestine, a resistance group is not a dangerous threat to a complete region or more so the world. Israel is just using that as an excuse to continue dominating Palestine and eventually wiping them out of existance, look at the big picture and you will see it. What's the matter? Can't Israel handle a couple of holes in their "beautiful homes" after what they did to the entire country? I think it's an extremely small price to pay.

I don't support the death of them, i think it is sad they have to die.

They don't have to die! Israelis are purposely shooting children (I saw an unbiased news report showing hundreds of children with bullet holes through their heads or heart, I'd say well aimed. Israel denies hard proof.

But if a dangerous organization like that, that is threatening to more than a thousand civilians, then it must be done.

Oh my, is it right for Israel to kill off all Palestinians to eliminate Hamas? Over 1,000 innocent Palestinians have been killed and over 4,000 wounded and less than 100 were members of Hamas, these statistics not good enough for you?

Hamas pulled off terrorist acts that killed 4x times the amount of civilians that are dieing now, isn't that a raw deal?

4x the amount of Israeli civilians dying now? That would be... 4-10? Do thousands of innocent palestinians have to die for the sake of such a low number? Israel is simply looking for an excuse to attack and take over Gaza.

"It's all for the greater good".

The greater good? As in the extinction of Palestinians? I see.

-Skyla <3 I will be posting a lot more on this subject but it's 4 AM and I'm extremely tired at the moment.

Thank you very much woody, for making this topic, I just got on ArmorGames to see if there had been a topic made.

I wanted to pick out all the people supporting Israel and post cricitizing responses to them, but there was (surprisingly) too many of them to do so, and so I'll just state the facts.\r\n\r\nIsrael took Palestine BY FORCE. Palestine belongs to the Palestinians, Israel is not a real country. The Israeli's walked into Palestine destroying hundreds of thousands of homes and killing thousands. Israel is also using illegal elements on the Palestinians, burning and permenantly damaging the population, and the "UN" or US aren't doing anything about it. The whole of it just makes me sick.\r\n\r\n[quote]That's what they get for being complete idiots.\r\nI completely agree with whats Israel is doing.[/quote]\r\n\r\nYou ignorant fool, Palestine belonged to the Palestinians originally, Israel has no right to be doing this to them. \r\n\r\n[quote][i]Personally, i support the bombing of the Gaza Strip 100%. The Hamas are a dangerous threat to the Middle East and the world, they need to be eliminated.[/i][/quote]\r\n \r\nRicador? I must say I am surprised. Hamas are pretty much just retaliating to what Israel has done to Palestine, a resistance group is not a dangerous threat to a complete region or more so the world. Israel is just using that as an excuse to continue dominating Palestine and eventually wiping them out of existance, look at the big picture and you will see it. What's the matter? Can't Israel handle a couple of holes in their "beautiful homes" after what they did to the entire country? I think it's an extremely small price to pay.\r\n\r\n[quote]I don't support the death of them, i think it is sad they have to die. [/quote]\r\n\r\nThey don't have to die! Israelis are purposely shooting children (I saw an unbiased news report showing hundreds of children with bullet holes through their heads or heart, I'd say well aimed. Israel denies hard proof.\r\n\r\n[quote]But if a dangerous organization like that, that is threatening to more than a thousand civilians, then it must be done.[/quote] \r\n\r\nOh my, is it right for Israel to kill off all Palestinians to eliminate Hamas? Over 1,000 innocent Palestinians have been killed and over 4,000 wounded and less than 100 were members of Hamas, these statistics not good enough for you?\r\n\r\n[quote]Hamas pulled off terrorist acts that killed 4x times the amount of civilians that are dieing now, isn't that a raw deal?[/quote]\r\n\r\n4x the amount of Israeli civilians dying now? That would be... 4-10? Do thousands of innocent palestinians have to die for the sake of such a low number? Israel is simply looking for an excuse to attack and take over Gaza.\r\n\r\n"It's all for the greater good".\r\n\r\nThe greater good? As in the extinction of Palestinians? I see.\r\n\r\n-Skyla <3 I will be posting a lot more on this subject but it's 4 AM and I'm extremely tired at the moment.\r\n\r\nThank you very much woody, for making this topic, I just got on ArmorGames to see if there had been a topic made.

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Xzeno

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Nomad

Posted January 12, '09 7:39pm UTC

I agree with many things, such as Israil just using it as an excuse, but I will say this:

Israel is not a real country. The Israeli's walked into Palestine destroying hundreds of thousands of homes and killing thousands.

Israel is as real as any other country. They took over the land and set up shop. Guess what America did? How about Australia? The imperialist countries are often more successful.

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Skyla

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Peasant

Posted January 12, '09 8:06pm UTC

Eh, I am extremely hostile when it comes to topics like this, it's best not to criticize me , however, I will constrain myself this one time :P.

Whatever happened to human rights?! If we accepted the fact that Israel marched into Gaza killing thousands, is it fair for them to do it in an extremely painful and gore-filled method? Phosphorus bombs are burning through the skin of children as young as 2-4 years old! These children's future is being destroyed for no reason at all! THEY ARE FUCKING PURE AND DO NOT DESERVE THIS.

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globdog76

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Nomad

Posted January 12, '09 10:39pm UTC

israeli has evrey right they got hit with missles and fought back

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llamaeatataco

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Nomad

Posted January 12, '09 11:11pm UTC

well, I thinhk the fundamental difference between what Israel is doing and what Hamas is doing boils down to this: Israel may be causing some (read: a lot of) collateral damage, but they are using very precise missiles and try their best to keep the number of innocents killed to a minimum. Hamas is shooting innaccurate rockets randomly into Israel, fully intending to do as much harm as possible to innocents.

and, it is Israel's right to retaliate. they may have taken the place (Well, it was given to them) from Palestine (they believe that it is their right) but it was all wrapped up with no stupid rockets shot into gaza. Hamas has sniped at Israel ever since, and Israel just won't take it anymore. I would side with Palestine if they were actually at war trying to get their land back, but they just don't have the resources. they really have no chance, so this whole conflict is wasted lives lost for a lost cause.

so, main point:

1: Israel is trying to hit military targets, Hamas is trying to kill civilians.

2: Hamas can't win. Israel can.

warning: I may not know what I am talking about...

well, I thinhk the fundamental difference between what Israel is doing and what Hamas is doing boils down to this:  Israel may be causing some (read: a lot of) collateral damage, but they are using very precise missiles and try their best to keep the number of innocents killed to a minimum.  Hamas is shooting innaccurate rockets randomly into Israel, fully intending to do as much harm as possible to innocents.\r\n\r\nand, it is Israel's right to retaliate.  they may have taken the place (Well, it was given to them) from Palestine (they believe that it is their right) but it was all wrapped up with no stupid rockets shot into gaza.  Hamas has sniped at Israel ever since, and Israel just won't take it anymore.  I would side with Palestine if they were actually at war trying to get their land back, but they just don't have the resources.  they really have no chance, so this whole conflict is wasted lives lost for a lost cause.\r\n\r\nso, main point:  \r\n\r\n     1:  Israel is trying to hit military targets, Hamas is trying to kill civilians.\r\n\r\n     2:  Hamas can't win.  Israel can.\r\n\r\nwarning:  I may not know what I am talking about...

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