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nichodemus
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Title says it all.

Preferably...can someone give me arguments for the death penalty? School debate >.<

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Lieutenut
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okay, so what your saying is that you think Joe should die 4 seeling heroin ??


I just got in the conversation, but if someone is killed for stealing heroin that's just wrong... they should be helped to rehabilitate themselves, not killed for inevitably killing themselves :/ that's like using the death penalty on someone for attempted suicide.
Snakebite
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I agree GAGA. I believe the punishment should fit the crime.

Joe is just a figure of speech.

TSL3_needed
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Well, if it should fit the crime, how does making Joe withstand 10 minutes of heroin OD sound? How about an hour?

ShylaGirl92
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I agree punishment shouuld fit the crime, but to offten they get off with nothing :/ but I dont think that we should kill everyone

the_manta
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I wouldn't say death penalty exclusively for murder... but no less than torture (Which actually may be perceived as worse than murder).

So: Death penalty should apply to: Murder, R***, Torture, and war crimes. Maybe treason, in some cases, but that's arguable.

deserteagle
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okay, so what your saying is that you think Joe should die 4 seeling heroin ??


K' look. It was an example I should have said theft. noticing this trend we know that Joe is just going to be stealing and stealing and being involved in a life of crime. There's pretty much no chance of redemption. Joe's not contributing to society while I( a law abiding citizen) am. ( I have a honest job as a bagging boy and pay taxes. ) Its unfair to me and unfair to Joe. He's just making people miserable. He's not pulling his weight around.

I agree GAGA. I believe the punishment should fit the crime.


Agreed we wouldn't want TSL3 dead right. xp

Joe is just a figure of speech.

Correct
Death penalty should apply to: Murder, R***, Torture, and war crimes. Maybe treason, in some cases, but that's arguable.


Agreed. Also add if you aren't doing anything to improve society.
(Paying taxes counts.)

Correct.
Blu3sBr0s
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Death penalty should apply to no crime. The death penalty lets criminals get off to easy.

I like the idea of confining them to a small square room with a cushin,pillow and blanket.

And at least then you could take them out and give them a bunch of money if you find out they were wrongly convicted.

Call me a pessimist, but really a vast majority of criminals in jail return to jail


Yes, that's the one problem, but it can be solved easily. Although it might've been said before.

Michael Vick was sentenced to 2 years for his dog fighting. If he is convicted again it is 4 years, once more and it is 8.

And you're going to ask where are we going to get all this money to hold the criminals? Legalize marijuana? xD I'm sure we'll figure it out...
TSL3_needed
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Michael Vick was sentenced to 2 years for his dog fighting.


He was? Well, he's out after only 4 months. And now that asshole commissioner wants him in. It's BS.

We're only paying them by putting them in prison. We'll spend more than $1,000,000 dollars to keep them in for life. They did nothing so we pay them for doing nothing.

Which is why starving them to death on a desert island sounds good.
deserteagle
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Death penalty should apply to no crime. The death penalty lets criminals get off to easy.


So your saying are prisons should be clogged up and your jails have high mantience costs just because it lets them not suffer? I do know about you, but I kinda don't want to die. I would rather work a life time than die.
Blu3sBr0s
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He was? Well, he's out after only 4 months.


Well I looked it up and actually it was 23 months. And he isn't out after 4 months, he served most of it. Somewhere around Febuary he got out and was placed under house arrest.

Which is why starving them to death on a desert island sounds good.


What are you a pirate? And not the Somalian kind, the Johnny Depp kind.

So your saying are prisons should be clogged up and your jails have high mantience costs just because it lets them not suffer?


No, because it LETS them suffer. Death after one year of imprisonment is much better than life in jail. Have you seen the inside of a maximum security cell after killing someone? As I said, a mattress, a pillow, a blanket, a sink, a toilet, toilet paper and a mirror. You get one half hour outside for one day a week in a metal cage, and you can listen to the music they play for you.

And like I said, Legalize pot and get $15 billion a year to spend on imprisoning people, and you also wont have to imprison all those people in jail simply because of possession of marijuana.
Graham
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FlagDeath penalty should apply to no crime.  The death penalty lets criminals get off to easy.


it sounds weird but, that kind of torture just consumes too much money. it doesn't really matter if they're alive or not with a life sentence.
nichodemus
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Hmmm...can someone now start discussing about the morality behind and moral issues surrounding the death penalty?

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FlagDeath penalty should apply to no crime.Ã The death penalty lets criminals get off to easy.


Are you trying to say that they should stay alive in prison for the rest of their lives?
Moegreche
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Preferably...can someone give me arguments for the death penalty?

For some reason, this debate often resides around retribution. But our system is not this eye-for-an-eye manner of justice. The rationale is not simply "You killed someone, so we're gonna kill you back." In fact, the manner of death required in this country by the death penalty is meant to avoid suffering as much as possible, and to ensure the method is neither cruel nor unusual.
If we were merely talking about retribution, then this maxim would not apply. There is something greater at work here. The U.S. courts have somehow put themselves (or have been put) in a position to determine whether or not someone deserves to die.
What's interesting is that many homicides occur with very reasonable motives - the killer felt that the victim did deserve to die. But this is not taken into account, unless we are discussing the charges themselves.
Once someone has been convicted, their punishment - i.e., what they deserve - is handed out. The judicial system uses its impartiality as grounds for making this determination. It is only at this moment when analysis of the death penalty can take place.
Some arguments rest on the value of human life, the cost of keeping a prisoner in jail, etc. But these are all red herrings - they don't really get to the hear of the matter as to whether or not a court should be able to dole out death to violent offenders.
Some states clearly think that courts should not have this power and do not have death penalty sentences. Some states, like Texas, have virtually installed an express lane for the execution of violent offenders.
Ultimately, it's a societal issue, not a moral one. The courts are not determined with the morality of an action, but rather the legality of it. This is crucial when trying to understand the justice system and is usually where most arguments fall short - trying to apply moral justice to legal matters.
If we are to operate in a highly functioning sophisticated society, we must cede certain individual powers to a government body. In the case of the death penalty, it is this government's choice to exercise its power in this manner and we must accept this.
Human error can cause innocent people to be executed, and this is one of the arguments against the death penalty. But this misses the point of the discussion. We are talking about the death penalty simpliciter and as such it must be discussed in a theoretical vacuum.
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i am against because maybe it would may people think before doing any stupid thing but there are people that prefer to be dead than any other thing because they have no money no food etc...

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