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and thats 2,999.

And just use this if you want to find external sources.

If you've read up on Mithra and still accept Christianity, then I don't think you're beliefs are rational anymore.[quote]Apparently they still are, because that is not ample evidence to disprove Jesus. Coincidences happen, many completely seperated civilizations have similar gods.

Bah my quote thing didnt work, I fail...

The most important man in history was the first man in history with out him we would be nothing think about that.

WTF does the Illaid have to do with anything?!? Homer was a great (polytheistic) poet who wrote the Illaid based off the Polypolsain War... I'm pretty dam* sure Achilles wasn't dipped into the river of Styx, Or if even Troy ever existed.

Tower of Babel, fact or faith?
Noah's Biblical Flood, fact or faith?
Garden of Eden, fact or faith?

Accuracy like the ones pointed out in this video?
Bible Bullsh*t - Episode 1: Historical Inaccuracies

I would like to hear your to how your historical accurate text can't even seem to line up with history of Jesus's life time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBufxLab5ns

You can find the full series on page two here.

To take it as a useful historical text I would expect the stories of Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John to not be so contradicting to one another.

The remains of Babel are supposedly in Iraq.

Honestly youtube isn't what I would call a good source and I don't have the time to watch the videos give me credibility or give me..not caring. Also if you would, be..so kind as to give me examples it'd be nice.

T's impossible to find eden because there's an angelic warrior with a flaming sword guarding it.

The Iliad is used as the basis for most Archaeological digs in the area of Troy. The Iliad would be considered the second most historically accurate text based on the current system of; number of texts reproduced (not mass reproduced i.e the Iliad has 8); years until the 1st text was reproduced; and how much the reproductions vary from the originals.

how come we haven't found this flaming sword yet?

DUH! Cause you haven't found the Angelic Warrior!!!

All a bit of both, should records show a worldwide flood? The other two however I suppose are almost all faith. IT's impossible to find eden because there's an angelic warrior with a flaming sword guarding it. Also the remains from the tower of babel would have long be eroded.

Honestly youtube isn't what I would call a good source and I don't have the time to watch the videos give me credibility or give me..not caring. Also if you would, be..so kind as to give me examples it'd be nice.

Can Jesus be confirmed historically?

At face value the Christian evidences appear to be overwhelming. Looking outside of the New Testament, many texts in apologetics will include a long list of names and documents that claim to confirm historically the existence of Jesus: Josephus, Suetonius, Pliny, Tacitus, Thallus, Mara Bar-Serapion, Lucian, Phlegon, Tertullian, Justin Martyr, Clement of Rome, Ignatius, Polycarp, Clement of Alexandria, Hippolytus, Origen, Cyprian, and others. Some of these names are church fathers writing in the second to fourth centuries and are therefore too late to be considered reliable first-century confirmation. Being church leaders, their objectivity is also questionable. These facts were not important to us evangelists nor would they cause any red flags to raise in the minds of the average believer reading the average book of Christian &quotroofs."

However, the list does include some nonbelievers - Jewish and Roman writers who were likely not biased towards Christianity - so it would appear that there can be no question about the historical existence of Jesus. Who could possibly doubt it?

It is rarely if ever pointed out that none of these evidences date from the time of Jesus. Jesus supposedly lived sometime between 4 BC and 30 AD, but there is not a single contemporary historical mention of Jesus, not by Romans or by Jews, not by behevers or by unbelievers, not during his entire lifetime. This does not disprove his existence, but it certainly casts great doubt on the historicity of a man who was supposedly widely knovm to have made a great impact on the world. Someone should have noticed.

One of the writers who was alive during the time of Jesus was Philo Judaeus. John E. Remsburg, in The Christ, writes:

"Philo was born before the beginning of the Christian era, and lived until long after the reputed death of Christ. He wrote an account of the Jews covering the entire time that Christ is said to have existed on earth. He was living in or near Jerusalem when Christ's miraculous birth and the Herodian massacre occurred. He was there when Christ made his triumphal entry into Jerusalem. He was there when the crucifixion with its attendant earthquake, supernatural darkness, and resurrection of the dead took placewhen Christ himself rose from the dead, and in the presence of many witnesses ascended into heaven. These marvelous events which must have filled the world with amazement, had they really occurred, were unknown to him. It was Philo who developed the doctrine of the Logos, or Word, and although this Word incarnate dwelt in that very land and in the presence of multitudes revealed himself and demonstrated his divine powers, Philo saw it not."

There was a historian named Justus of Tiberius who was a native of Galilee, the homeland of Jesus. He wrote a history covering the time when Christ supposedly lived. This history is now lost, but a ninth-century Christian scholar named Photius had read it and wrote: "He [Justus] makes not the least mention of the appearance of Christ, of what things happened to him, or of the wonderful works that he did." (Photius' Bibliotheca, code 33)

I'm going to keep this short. Jesus is insanely important. Does he exist? What does it matter? He is still important.

I'm going to keep this short. Jesus is insanely important. Does he exist? What does it matter? He is still important.

Jesus is insanely important. Does he exist? What does it matter? He is still important.

Jesus is real. Even if he wasn't a physical person, he's real in the sense of Harry Potter. He's a character that has had an influence on our society; I think that's pretty important.