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DrCool1
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In all religions parents and other adults make kids prey, go to church, and follow many other religious things they do. They tell kids many scary and untrue things that the kids can not understand. Is this considered forcing and brain washing the kids into the religion. Here is a video of a "Jesus camp".

So do you think kids have a free will when it comes to religion, or are they being brain washed?

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LiveInPeace29
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I've never been forced into christianity... my parents don't beleive in it... my grandparents do. I have gone too church since I was 3... not once was I forced

Moegreche
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I think "brain washed" is too strong a term. Granted, it may be by some technical definition, but there are connotations attached to brain washing that just aren't fair to say about kids going to church.
I did find the video you posted extremely disturbing, and I was embarrassed for everyone there, but that's just because I'm assessing it from my own point of view.
I will say, though, that having tutored young children for quite a few years, I get into religious conversations with them now and again. And I can't tell you how many of these self-professed Christian don't understand the basic fundamentals of Christianity.
The problem I have with it is that these churches are immersing kids into Christian rituals and practices without explaining to them what they're doing or why they're doing it. These kids are going through the motions so they don't get into trouble and can go play with their friends after.
The result is people who just blindly accept their faith and aren't even capable of rational thought about their faith (like LiveInPeace, for example).
All the other lies we tell our children about Santa and babies and the Easter Bunny we end up correcting. But not this God nonsense.
If we're seriously going to teach people about God, we need to do it at an age where they can actually cognitively engage with the information they're being presented.
So, I think your point is well made. While I wouldn't consider it brainwashing, exposing kids at a young age to religion is absolutely a bad thing.
Any arguable benefit of religion, like teaching morality, can be done at home and completely without any religious context. Shouldn't we teach our kids to be good because that's the right thing to do, rather than because if they don't, they'll go to hell?

MysticWing
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I did find the video you posted extremely disturbing, and I was embarrassed for everyone there, but that's just because I'm assessing it from my own point of view.


Yeah me too. But the most disturbing thing for me was when that lady was talking about the army of God and war and what not. And the whole speaking in tongue thing. I was just blown away that they take these innocent kids in like this!
TexanProvo
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That video was, disturbing. Reminded me of watching something about the Taliban or the Nazis. I admit I've never really read the Bible from cover to cover but I believe Christianity is about the teachings of Jesus Christ. Didn't he say to love thy neighbor and not to judge others, he also knew prostitutes and criminals and didn't want to "make war" with them, seems something got lost in translation with these people. This isn't religion, this is terrorist training. If that nutjob woman (I can guarantee you she is on a watchlist) told those children to strap on a bomb and blow something up, they would. This is nothing more than the perversion of religion to suit someone who thinks their better then other people way of thinking.

Moe
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I know many religious parents who tried to brainwash their kids into believing the parents religion. Luckily for me my moms parents failed in brainwashing her, and my dads introduced him to religion but didn't force anything.

BeastMode10
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I pretty much agree with Moegreche. The same children who believe in Santa and the monster under the bed are exposed to evangalism, and are unable to form critical desicions in worshipping in God. And these are the same people who grow up under a veil of ignorance, unable to question, only to follow blindly.

MageGrayWolf
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I think "brain washed" is too strong a term. Granted, it may be by some technical definition, but there are connotations attached to brain washing that just aren't fair to say about kids going to church.


I don't think it's too strong of a term in some cases such as in the example of the OP. Going to a place each week (more or less) where your told what to do think and say, with the promise of reward if you do and threat of punishment if you don't is what I would call brainwashing. Particularly for a child who has yet to develop critical thinking skills. Though I mostly agree with the rest of your post.

Didn't he say to love thy neighbor and not to judge others, he also knew prostitutes and criminals and didn't want to "make war" with them, seems something got lost in translation with these people.


There are many verses in the Bible that contradict such sentiments. People like these would likely think your views of the Bible were mistranslated. When you pick and choose and reinterpret you can make things like the Bible say pretty much anything you want, good or bad.
Moegreche
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I don't think it's too strong of a term in some cases such as in the example of the OP.

I'm in agreement emotionally with calling this brainwashing. Especially, as you point out, when considering the OP.
My worry is on an argumentative level. By backing off the conclusion some, we can have a stronger argument here. I think this brings up a legitimate arguing point against established religion.
Sure, there are the tired old "religion causes war/conflict/whatever" arguments. But this seems to be a unique method of argumentation that could reach the conclusion that religion doesn't allow responsible cognitive agents to develop properly. And that's a pretty damning conclusion.
Brainwashing implies something where the brainwasher is intentionally harming the brainwashee. I don't want the argument to fail on this technicality.
I seriously believe DrCool may have stumbled upon a premise for a very strong argument against established religion, and I'd like to see if we can go somewhere with this.
MageGrayWolf
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I seriously believe DrCool may have stumbled upon a premise for a very strong argument against established religion, and I'd like to see if we can go somewhere with this.


You make a good point.
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The video is an example of extreme religious actions. Like Moe, I also wouldn't use the words 'brain washing' in most cases.

The problem I have with it is that these churches are immersing kids into Christian rituals and practices without explaining to them what they're doing or why they're doing it. These kids are going through the motions so they don't get into trouble and can go play with their friends after.
The result is people who just blindly accept their faith and aren't even capable of rational thought about their faith (like LiveInPeace, for example).


I grew up going to Catholic School from kindergarten to third grade in one school, and 4th to 8th in another. In my second school, there were on average 38 students in my grade (2 classes, 19 students each). On average, only about two or three of us weren't baptised Catholic. Only a small handful of us didn't go to church at all on Sundays.

We would go to church every Friday during school. I very rarely ever talked about God and I never went to church outside of school. My family was just not very religious at all.

Every day, we would have a religion class. I noticed very quickly that I was one of the only ones who didn't understand the rituals going on in the church such as how old you have to be before you become this and that and whatever there is. I also noticed, that I was one of the few people who understood what God wanted and how we should act (according to the priest and religion teachers).

Sure, I couldn't tell you much at all about the box thing that they put the bread and wine in, but I was one of the few people who could answer questions such as "Will God forgive you if you know you will repeat that same sin," and "What about people who have never heard of God?" (which was funny because I disagreed, despite understang the answer better than most everyone else).

In short, I understood what God wanted (according to the church) and how everyone should act better than most of my classmates. The only other people I know who understood as well as me didn't care too much about religion.

While I wouldn't consider it brainwashing, exposing kids at a young age to religion is absolutely a bad thing.


I somewhat disagree with you here. I think that any family who wants their children to worship God should introduce them to religion at a young age. I do agree, though, that hell should not be used as a reason to explain wrong. The same goes for doing good to get into heaven.

Although it is not always the case, churches do often bring families and friends together. Sure, you can also acheive these results with family game night and Saterday night dinners at Applebees, but none the less it's an activity that the family can experiance together. The best churches to bring families together are those that hold a lot of fun events and focus on having a relaxed lecture on God rather than a whole boring ritual of singing and preachers telling everyone what to do rather than simply suggesting what it is God wants (if that made sense). Kids would rather listen to stories about good things happening to good people and friendships made on being honest and good people than listen to some man or woman stress out that "GOD WILL SAVE THEM! THEY MUST REPENT! THEY MUST LIVE FOR GOD! BLAH BLAH BLAH SIN BLAH HELL BLAH BALLS."

I beleive that parents should always acompany their children when going to church or any religios event. This means they should not send them to some camp unless they are going too. This may sound like haracy, but I think it's important that after church the family should talk about what they heard. I think it's important for them to talk about things they agreed with as well as things they disagreed with. Yes, I think it's important for a family to question the teachings of their own church from time to time! You don't have to always agree with your chu... oh... wait... in many cases you do... well fuck. Just avoid those crappy churches!
NoNameC68
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Sorry for the broken English and poor grammar. It's 3:44 AM.

DrCool1
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Like NoNameC68 said, not all religious groups are like this but there are some, so why are they still considered a religious group by so many? You tell these people you do not believe and they say you will suffer forever. You tell an Atheist you do not believe them and they would tell you to have fun wasting an hour of your life every Sunday. Also the "you have the free will to believe in God or not but if you dont you go to hell". Ya that is the same thing as me saying I am going to shoot you or you can go hang yourself by your free will. So what should be do about groups like this?

WexMajor82
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I think that what we had seen are terrorist in training.
Blind faith is the first step toward suicide bombing.

sonicheroes95
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not brain washed, just tricked.... and it shouldn't be with trickry that religions spread.

TrainJumpa
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You might be forced to go to church, but at a certain age you can stop and choose not to, most kids who are forced hate it and quit because they think it's garbage... I can't say much now but I'll be back in a few.

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