In all religions parents and other adults make kids prey, go to church, and follow many other religious things they do. They tell kids many scary and untrue things that the kids can not understand. Is this considered forcing and brain washing the kids into the religion. Here is a video of a "Jesus camp". So do you think kids have a free will when it comes to religion, or are they being brain washed?
Bahh, if ever there existed such an illogical places as Heaven and Hell then, from what many silly religious people have told me, I'd rather go to Hell. Many say that those who don't believe the same things as they do will go to Hell. So I'm assuming a helluva lot (get it?) great people have gone to Hell - simply for not believing what you believe. And, on topic, we can link this back to the culturing of religion into children - 'if you don't believe the same things as us (your much loved friends/family/community' then you'll burn in fire and brimstone with the Devil, a being of infinite cruelty who will find ever-new ways of making your afterlife a not-living Hell'.
I explain this on my profile, but here goes: I understand, people say where did God come from. Well, he has always been there. Atheists will say, well *explanation for origin of earth* has always been there. That is impossible because it isn't conscience. It is a thing. You see, there is agreement worldwide that for the world to have started, God or no God, something has to have ALWAYS been there. Since something with no conscience cannot have ALWAYS been there, the only explanation for earth's origin is a conscience deity.
I have no idea how morality (conscience) would have anything to do with a being always being existent. Besides, how can you say that in order for something to have existed forever it has to have a "conscience"? Just because existence, or sentience is all that you have ever known, does not discredit nonexistence, or non-sentience.
I explain this on my profile, but here goes: I understand, people say where did God come from. Well, he has always been there. Atheists will say, well *explanation for origin of earth* has always been there. That is impossible because it isn't conscience. It is a thing. You see, there is agreement worldwide that for the world to have started, God or no God, something has to have ALWAYS been there. Since something with no conscience cannot have ALWAYS been there, the only explanation for earth's origin is a conscience deity.
In a scientific sense, there was always something there. Quite simply, take every atom of every element in the universe and compress it onto the head of a pin. And then after a while, boom, the universe happened.
However, where all those atoms originally came from, that I cannot tell you.
With all this said, there is nothing wrong with religion at all. People have a choice to believe or not, and others should just respect that choice. Yes, science cannot explain everything. And many people use religion to explain the things that science cannot. And don't forget that there are also many religions out there in the world. Science and religions are two worlds that cause big problems when they collide. Personally, if they worked together instead of fighting, that would be one big problem to cross off the world's list.
Bahh, if ever there existed such an illogical places as Heaven and Hell then, from what many silly religious people have told me, I'd rather go to Hell. Many say that those who don't believe the same things as they do will go to Hell. So I'm assuming a helluva lot (get it?) great people have gone to Hell - simply for not believing what you believe. And, on topic, we can link this back to the culturing of religion into children - 'if you don't believe the same things as us (your much loved friends/family/community' then you'll burn in fire and brimstone with the Devil, a being of infinite cruelty who will find ever-new ways of making your afterlife a not-living Hell'.
Thanks for bringing us back to the OP Avorne, and yeah, I would also rather go to hell as popular notions of the afterlife bore me.
I think it's incredibly petty and distasteful to use fear-mongering to sway children who don't even properly understand what they're getting into or the consequences of it, over to your side.
The singularity was always there.
THANK YOU! It would have to have been, it is a theoretical hole in the universe, a portal to nothing, as it were.
[/quote]I have no idea how morality (conscience) would have anything to do with a being always being existent. Besides, how can you say that in order for something to have existed forever it has to have a "conscience"? Just because existence, or sentience is all that you have ever known, does not discredit nonexistence, or non-sentience.
Rather, I mean consciencness, the awareness of yourself and surroundings (my bad, and yes it's misspelled). That is right. While you are unconscience, you exist, however something made you. Something without conscience sis'nt just go, "I feel like existing today."
Example:
God was always there.
The singularity was always there.[quote]
Yes, but God has conscience (awareness of himself). I explained that, sorry if you didn't understand it.
Yes, but God has conscience (awareness of himself). I explained that, sorry if you didn't understand it.
I get that, but I am saying that is not a criteria to exist, not first not now. How would nothing go " I feel like existing today" You are throwing out double edged blades, but it seems to me that the side pointed at us is to dull to cut...
Rather, I mean consciencness, the awareness of yourself and surroundings (my bad, and yes it's misspelled). That is right. While you are unconscience, you exist, however something made you. Something without conscience sis'nt just go, "I feel like existing today."
It would have always existed, it would never have to feel like its existing to exist. Did you ever feel like existing before you existed? Using your logic, then god would have wanted to exist before he existed.
Nurv, here is something I dug up from 2007 - give it a read, please?
Pope Benedict XVI has ignited controversy across the world by approving a document saying non-Catholic Christian communities are either defective or not true churches, and the Roman Catholic Church provides the only true path to salvation.
Rather, I mean consciencness, the awareness of yourself and surroundings (my bad, and yes it's misspelled). That is right. While you are unconscience, you exist, however something made you. Something without conscience sis'nt just go, "I feel like existing today."
I would have cautioned you to read my last sentence:
Just because existence, or sentience is all that you have ever known, does not discredit nonexistence, or non-sentience.
I get that, but I am saying that is not a criteria to exist, not first not now. How would nothing go " I feel like existing today" You are throwing out double edged blades, but it seems to me that the side pointed at us is to dull to cut...
The "existing thing" was just a blurb, I knew you'd call it out, forget I said it. How could something that has no awareness come to be?
It would have always existed, it would never have to feel like its existing to exist. Did you ever feel like existing before you existed? Using your logic, then god would have wanted to exist before he existed.
He's always existed. There never was a "before he existed".
He's always existed. There never was a "before he existed".
This same argument can be used with the elements though. And if that's true, God would have never needed to exist.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to discredit religion. I'm just saying that you have to consider that your side of the argument can also be applied to the other side.
