In all religions parents and other adults make kids prey, go to church, and follow many other religious things they do. They tell kids many scary and untrue things that the kids can not understand. Is this considered forcing and brain washing the kids into the religion. Here is a video of a "Jesus camp". So do you think kids have a free will when it comes to religion, or are they being brain washed?
As a Catholic I believe everyone one has right to their views and salvation. Everyone achieves it in their own way. Catholics just believe that following Catholicism achieves salvation. People can choose to believe what they want. If they don't believe in God they go to hell, simple as. But it wont bother them because they don't believe in hell.
So saying "you can only get salvation by believing us" is not making someone believe?
Nope. Saying "The only way to go to a paradise instead of a place were you will get tortured forever. You also have to worship our genocidal god and obey our laws, including the outdated ones.
Act now and get the prerapture kit, just pay separate shipping and handling!" is more what they say...
So saying "you can only get salvation by believing us" is not making someone believe?
Nope. Saying "The only way to go to a paradise instead of a place were you will get tortured forever. You also have to worship our genocidal god and obey our laws, including the outdated ones.
No, that is not the only way to get salvation, but as you would but may never find is that its wonderful to be Catholic, if you're doing it right. 314d1, many laws of the Church have been changed, and honestly, look at it this way. You cannot follow SOME laws of your country, can you? that's not fair, it works the best if everyone follows all the rules. Same for Catholicism. It's not our fault that we have rules. If someone never follows God but lives a good life, he will go to heaven. Do you believe everything happens for a reason?
Everything DOES happen for a reason, but likely not for the reasons you would think. Everything happens because people get up and make it happen, it happens because people want it to, not because of some supreme deity.
You might say that God makes them do those things, but I say that's just another way to make what "he" does seem right and more powerful than the idea that I believe "he" is.
Everything DOES happen for a reason, but likely not for the reasons you would think. Everything happens because people get up and make it happen, it happens because people want it to, not because of some supreme deity.
You might say that God makes them do those things, but I say that's just another way to make what "he" does seem right and more powerful than the idea that I believe "he" is.
Not the direction I was going at all... but if we're there, do you think the earth happened because we wanted to? We didn't exist then, so something had to make THAT happen. I didn't even think about that until you mentioned it.
No, that is not the only way to get salvation, but as you would but may never find is that its wonderful to be Catholic, if you're doing it right. 314d1, many laws of the Church have been changed, and honestly, look at it this way. You cannot follow SOME laws of your country, can you? that's not fair, it works the best if everyone follows all the rules. Same for Catholicism. It's not our fault that we have rules. If someone never follows God but lives a good life, he will go to heaven. Do you believe everything happens for a reason?
I am unsure what books Catholics follow, though I am fairly sure it is both the new and old testaments. That would mean you would have to stone a majority of earth, and NOT CHANGE THE BIBLE. If you can not change the Bible, then the rules must stay the same.
P.S I have a horrid memory, but I believe that it was the Catholics who changed there Bible to include the dinosaurs. How can you justify that?
I am unsure what books Catholics follow, though I am fairly sure it is both the new and old testaments. That would mean you would have to stone a majority of earth, and NOT CHANGE THE BIBLE. If you can not change the Bible, then the rules must stay the same.
P.S I have a horrid memory, but I believe that it was the Catholics who changed there Bible to include the dinosaurs. How can you justify that?
The Vatican is where the Church rules on what is and what is not the faith. And in the vatican, you will not find anything with the dinosaurs in the bible. Even if you did, It would be perfectly credible, for In the Garden of Eden God created all animals, and the dinosaurs were animals. As for the Bible, yes it is our main belief reference outside God, but we have come to find that some of it may be figurative. SO the bible cannot be changed, but can be interpreted to an extent. In these "interpretations" we find these new laws.
Not the direction I was going at all... but if we're there, do you think the earth happened because we wanted to? We didn't exist then, so something had to make THAT happen. I didn't even think about that until you mentioned it.
That's not in the direction that I was going in either, my views on the creation of the universe as explained by Stephen Hawking on Discovery are as follows, however:
It is theorized(SCIENTIFIC DEFINITION!) that at the center of every black hole is matter called a singularity that is so dense that it causes the fabric of space-time to distort so much that it effectively disappears into nothingness, and therefore objects that enter a black hole cease to exist. We know that matter nor energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed, so it is postulated that if things can disappear into a singularity, they can reappear.
It is believed that this is what caused the "big bang".
It is theorized(SCIENTIFIC DEFINITION!) that at the center of every black hole is matter called a singularity that is so dense that it causes the fabric of space-time to distort so much that it effectively disappears into nothingness, and therefore objects that enter a black hole cease to exist. We know that matter nor energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed, so it is postulated that if things can disappear into a singularity, they can reappear.
It seems I didn't explain myself clearly enough, but the same can be asked of your god.
A singularity is, as I tried to put down, a hole in the fabric of space time, generally a nothingness.
I explain this on my profile, but here goes: I understand, people say where did God come from. Well, he has always been there. Atheists will say, well *explanation for origin of earth* has always been there. That is impossible because it isn't conscience. It is a thing. You see, there is agreement worldwide that for the world to have started, God or no God, something has to have ALWAYS been there. Since something with no conscience cannot have ALWAYS been there, the only explanation for earth's origin is a conscience deity.
I explain this on my profile, but here goes: I understand, people say where did God come from. Well, he has always been there. Atheists will say, well *explanation for origin of earth* has always been there. That is impossible because it isn't conscience. It is a thing. You see, there is agreement worldwide that for the world to have started, God or no God, something has to have ALWAYS been there. Since something with no conscience cannot have ALWAYS been there, the only explanation for earth's origin is a conscience deity.
How is that so? Things exist just fine without conciseness. It is not necessary to have existed first.... How did you even come up with that flawed logic?
Religion is many things. Sometimes good sometimes bad. But do Atheist do the wrong thing by not believing in god ? For all i know kids these days watch too much television , instead of doing sports . Some people believe its a sin(Laziness). but is it really ? Next to everything kids can do these days why would they spend they're day doing "stupid" stuff like swimming.
But being brain washed into religion is just something else .
Take me. I`m a Christian but do i believe in the all mighty ? no. But... do i believe in Shiva ? Yes. Buddha ? Yes . But Jesus. No.
