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Forums → WEPR → The Abortion Argument - V2
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Yes, I realize that this thread already exists - 13 pages and over a month back.
I'd like to remake it, I don't see why an issue such as this should fall from our eye.
This time around I'd like to focus more around the legality and the taboo side of abortion. That doesn't mean we shouldn't still include the aspects of the original thread though.
Should abortion be kept away from the public eye? Or should it be something that we openly discuss?
Should abortion be legal everywhere? Under what circumstances? How could those circumstances be judged to be the right ones? Do we follow the 'lesser of two evils' idea or do we take a separate path?
I personally feel that abortion is a women's choice, if abortion is the best option in a situation then it should be the one that is taken. As a man I really have no say in what a woman does with her body. But what if I was going to be the father of a child she didn't want to give birth to? I'm not sure about those situations - should the father have equal say to the mother?
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Agreed. It's also that many young girls that pregnant by accident don't want to go threw the whole pregnancy thing. If it was my kid (hopefully this won't happen anytime soon...) then I would offer to take care of it before opting to abort it. But if the dad wants nothing to do with it, it's up to the mom and her thought process I guess.
I went on a march for life locally, and I met some women who had aborted who have been emotionally scarred for life. In the clinic that was closed, there were patient complaints of sexual and physical abuse. It's sickening
Wow, that's scary. And yes, very very sickening. I guess we guys should just remember to cover up. It's never fun to impose such a situation on any girl. I never realized some abortion clinics were s corrupt, it really is scary.
Yes, but as you pointed out, condoms can fail. The term "safe sex" is hilarious.
It's true, they can. But the main reason (probably 99% of the time that they do) is due to human error. There are some faulty ones out there, but usually it's because it wasn't put on properly. You just gotta be sure with what you're doing.
Well as Catholic I certainly frown upon sex before marriage, but surely you can understand my frustration when like you said an abortion can ultimately come from a foolish human error. Good Night.
Yea, I can understand it perfectly. If you really think about it, it really is ridiculous. And a good night to you too sir.
I certainly frown upon sex before marriage
No one has been doing that for thousands of years.
but surely you can understand my frustration when like you said an abortion can ultimately come from a foolish human error. Good Night.
News Flash: Teenagers like sex. They like the Testosterone/Estrogen high and psychological experience. They really do not think of sex as a "Miracle of God"/"Sacred Rite of Marriage". Kids make mistakes like forgetting to bring a condom. Why screw everyone involved, when you can fork over a couple hundred and learn from your mistakes?
News Flash: Teenagers like sex. They like the Testosterone/Estrogen high and psychological experience. They really do not think of sex as a "Miracle of God"/"Sacred Rite of Marriage".
Oh so very true. And it's true, after something like that you will learn. Plus it's becoming more and more difficult to get pregnant anyways, even some teenagers can be considered to be infertile at this point (due mainly to plastics).
Many "ro-life" attackers of abortion say you're killing a living human being. The problem I see with that is, it is an embryo.
It looks more like the seed of a plant than a human. It can't think; it can't eat; it can't even perform basic gestures that a baby can. It's not a baby. If it were a baby, then I would like a person to feed, clothe, and shelter the embryo in their house.
Besides, since when did Christians become so "ro-life?" They killed Muslims, Taoists, Jews, and pretty much every living human that wasn't Christian for most of the Dark Ages and part of the Renaissance.
On the legality side of the matter:
1) Whatever the policy is, it should be nationwide. Otherwise you're going to get pregnant women traveling to Montana or wherever to have a late term abortion.
2) Whatever the justification for or against abortion shouldn't be advanced using religious argumentation. WE get to decide, as a society, when life begins and if humans even have some intrinsic worth.
I'm wondering, though, if (2) can possibly be maintained. There are clear ethical considerations and I think it's extremely hard for most people to separate ethics from morality and religion.
Ultimately, if there is no good argument against the ethics of abortion, then I don't see its being illegal as justified.
1) Whatever the policy is, it should be nationwide. Otherwise you're going to get pregnant women traveling to Montana or wherever to have a late term abortion.
I believe abortion should be up to society, which you mentioned in point 2. However, societies operate differently depending on their location, cultural influences, and many other variables. This being said, you will have many some states where the majority of people support abortion, and some where they may appose abortion.
That is why I disagree with point 1.
I don't see a problem with women traveling to a different state to have an abortion done. If there's a legal loophole people can squeeze through, then they will take that loophole before taking drastic measures such as under the table operations and self performed abortions.
Ideally, prices for abortions will also rise as more and more places outlaw abortion. This may be seen as a good thing or a bad thing. People who don't want their doctors to perform abortions can have what they want, and people who want to have an abortion can move. If that person moves back into the town where abortions are illegal, well, that's between her and those she talks to.
That's my belief on the issue. I do believe that late abortions should be illegal indefinitely. However, I believe local societies should be the ones to choose, not the nation wide government.
No one has been doing that for thousands of years
Hmm except for Catholics. About a billion of them. So yeah.
News Flash: Teenagers like sex. They like the Testosterone/Estrogen high and psychological experience. They really do not think of sex as a "Miracle of God"/"Sacred Rite of Marriage". Kids make mistakes like forgetting to bring a condom. Why screw everyone involved, when you can fork over a couple hundred and learn from your mistakes?
Yeah, why screw everyone involved, like KILLING THE KID. How about fork over no money and give it a life? Put it up for adoption it's not that hard. And guess what? People also like to lie, cheat, steal, and kill. But hey? Why not just let them I guess.
Many "ro-life" attackers of abortion say you're killing a living human being. The problem I see with that is, it is an embryo.
I don't attack abortion I advise against it. I agree and have no stance on when it officially becomes a human, however a life will not have been because of abortion.
Besides, since when did Christians become so "ro-life?" They killed Muslims, Taoists, Jews, and pretty much every living human that wasn't Christian for most of the Dark Ages and part of the Renaissance.
1) Yeah how many are we killing today 2) I'm pretty sure we might start a third world war over the same thing.
1) Whatever the policy is, it should be nationwide. Otherwise you're going to get pregnant women traveling to Montana or wherever to have a late term abortion
/agreed
2) Whatever the justification for or against abortion shouldn't be advanced using religious argumentation. WE get to decide, as a society, when life begins and if humans even have some intrinsic worth.
I'm not saying abortion's wrong because God said so, even though He does. If that were the only explanation coming from the Vatican, there'd be mass exodus from the Church. However simply on a moral standpoint, completely removed from religion it seems wrong.
Ultimately, if there is no good argument against the ethics of abortion, then I don't see its being illegal as justified.
Plenty of good arguments against said "ethics" of abortion.
That's my belief on the issue. I do believe that late abortions should be illegal indefinitely. However, I believe local societies should be the ones to choose, not the nation wide government.
Civil War?
It looks more like the seed of a plant than a human. It can't think; it can't eat; it can't even perform basic gestures that a baby can. It's not a baby. If it were a baby, then I would like a person to feed, clothe, and shelter the embryo in their house.
Well while in the mother's stomach, An "embryo" is being fed, sheltered, and technically clothed.
Hehe, i read arguments as "It's a potential life/baby"
Well, then wet dreams are also a sin, that's what your saying, and we're not the ones to control it. It's natural, it's ejaculating uncontrolled, or masturbating. Either of the two.
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