I'm taking a Politics class in school and the topic of gay adoption/marriage came up and I was wondering what your opinions of it? (I looked for a pre-existing thread for it and couldn't find it)
I don't want to come across as the whiny brat but could you answer: Does anyone think it's selfish to have a surrogate child when adoption is much better? It's an important issue.
But it was founded with the idea to tolerate all within reason.
And that's worked out well hasn't it? Imagine a middle eastern man that really wanted his pilots license in America.
Does anyone think it's selfish to have a surrogate child when adoption is much better? It's an important issue.
I don't know so much about selfish. I mean, child rearing is part of our instincts to ensure the survival of our genes. Adoption doesn't provide this, although it does provide a couple the opportunity to instill their ideals and morals into another and help their traditions to carry on that way. It's also notoriously difficult for the surrogate mother to give up the child, which is a great emotional strain, often not worth the money made for surrogacy.
The Williams Institute, a research center on sexual orientation law and public policy at UCLA School of Law, has announced new findings from the U.S. National Longitudinal Lesbian Family Study (NLLFS), the longest-running study ever conducted on American lesbian families (now in its 24th year). In an article published today in the Archives of Sexual Behavior, the 17-year-old daughters and sons of lesbian mothers were asked about sexual abuse, sexual orientation, and sexual behavior.
The paper found that none of the 78 NLLFS adolescents reports having ever been physically or sexually abused by a parent or other caregiver. This contrasts with 26 percent of American adolescents who report parent or caregiver physical abuse and 8.3 percent who report sexual abuse.
According to the authors, "the absence of child abuse in lesbian mother families is particularly noteworthy, because victimization of children is pervasive and its consequences can be devastating. To the extent that our findings are replicated by other researchers, these reports from adolescents with lesbian mothers have implications for healthcare professionals, policymakers, social service agencies, and child protection experts who seek family models in which violence does not occur."
I find this quite understandable, if we consider that only "great" lesbian couples can adopt children, whereas -ceteris paribus- every heterosexual couple (violent or not) can have children.
Something else, I read that about 30% of heterosexual couples struggle with domestic violence of some sort. Exactly the same number (30%) of LGBT couples experience domestic violence.
Therefore we can -safely- deduct that sexual preferences are irrelevant in the matter of abuse.
OOH! Let me get my PSYC notes out. I can tell you the best of the various study techniques....
You can have a case study, which keeps the individual under study in great detail, which the example used above. Then you have a representative sample, which takes a group of people with the interests and studies them. If combined you get a representative case study. That would take plenty of time, but would give an incredible amount of data, conflicting or not.
I hate to say it, but most lesbians are pretty butch and usually that means more testosterone.
The lesbians I've experienced haven't been what you described, but that's just me. I've experienced the cute, feminine ones that were still lesbian. That lead me to believe that those two only liked the body of a woman and chose to express that through their femininity. I haven't come across any butch lesbians...yet.
Yeah, I agree, from personal experience. When I was a kid I was afraid of lesbians. The reason was that once a lesbian friend of my mom came to our house, she had a moustache, a deep -almost manly- voice and her muscles were brawn. Through children's eyes she looked like an ogre.
Such persons usually have a lot of rage, thus they can easily hurt someone -usually though adults.
That's quite odd, then. Well over half are probably butch. And I know a LOT of lesbians. A good friend of mine hosts the largest lesbian party in the US every year. It was last weekend actually. 7th year running. Called SIN7 this year.
But, I am not trying to be stereotypical. It's just the experiences I've had with lesbian culture. But there are a lot of aspects. I would not say that Sara and I fit into much of it. We are probably identical to a heterosexual couple. Nice house, picket fence, nice vehicles, joint accounts, bills, arguments that I work too much, etc.
Lol well these two I met were teens and they were dancers for the school. These are the type in which you don't know they are lesbian until they actually tell you they are lesbian, because on first glances and first impressions, they seemed cute, heterosexual girls.
You've had more of the experiences so I can't really account much Xp
I recently wrote a research paper and did a presentation on outcome studies of children raised by homosexual parents. To make a long story short: There is ZERO scientific evidence that children raised by homosexual parent(s) will turn out any worse than children raised by straight parents. In a few measures, children raised by homosexual parents did better. Many people claim that gay parents will turn their children gay. This is completely unfounded as children with gay parents grew up straight at the exact same rate as children raised by straight parents. Just think for a minute, if it was the parenting that turned people gay, straight parents would never raise children who turned out to be gay. The other thing people frequently worry about is that the kids of homosexual parents will be stigmatized and bullied at school. While this is a real concern, studies found that this was an issue for many children, however, the number and severity of bullying incidents for children with homosexual parents were no greater than children with straight parents. Kids will make fun of other kids, period, and they will use whatever they can. Fortunately, just like minority parents who prepare their children for discrimination and bias, when homosexual parents prepared their children for this type of harassment, the children turned out more tolerant, and with higher levels of confidence and self-esteem than children of straight parents who never had to deal with this issue.
I reckon Asherlee is correct with proportions - however, distribution is a factor. I've noticed that certain age groups and social classes seem to have a different ratio of butch to non-butch with the overall majority going to butch. That's just an observation from limited experience of course.
Dangle, very well put. You've condensed a lot of the responses to the popular arguments against. Also, from what I have read lately, is the association of pedophiles to homosexuals. This is an unfortunate stereotype. I certainly point the finger of shame towards the Vatican.
I've noticed that certain age groups and social classes seem to have a different ratio of butch to non-butch with the overall majority going to butch. That's just an observation from limited experience of course.
Great observations! This is very true. I can't believe I didn't mention it. It is very clear these difference have to do with social class. It was apparent at the SIN parties.
as long as they don't flaunt it around in public
To a degree he has a leg to stand on. But, I'm going to assume (forgive me if I am incorrect) that Beast is uncomfortable around flamboyant gay men. However, if that is the case he just needs to get over himself.
On the flip side, I too get really frustrated with some of the gay activism. There are several cases when these gay activist will call a foul that is ridiculous and not serious. A perfect example happened back in September. 50 cent made a tweet and the gay police blew the whistle. The point, is that it was taken out of context and they still demanded an official apology from 50 cent.
Really, I'm just not for anything that is so extremist in nature. People have got to relax on some of this stuff.
