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Oh I see now. Yes if you treat it as a title, then that's the only approach that makes sense

All right now, most of the time I was simply jumping in the tread just to write something, but now I want to really get into this topic.

The question I wanted to ask is: Is God maybe punishing us for what we've done?
Religion has often been a part of my interests. I've seen a lot of documentaries and read a good number of that topic. And sometimes while looking at society as it is today and what is happening to us like natural disasters or similar, and I often think "Is that because of us? Because of some force from above? Did maybe a devil got inside some people who then did something that divided us and made us fight and have wars?". Now, almost everybody will find an explanation for this, but how can you explain what happened to person who allegedly died and came back to life?

Sorry if you don't understand or if I putted too much stuff in one post.

I don't see any obvious reason to assume global events are somehow led by a divine or evil hand. When you actually go looking for the causes, they're more complex but definitely natural. In the end, it is often us who are doing this onto ourselves. And this is important to realize, because only when you know the real cause can you do something against it; accepting it as a divine punishment and not doing anything about it won't change things.

As for this coming back to life matter, can you give us an actual example?

If he is punishing 6 billion of us for what he perceives as sin on our part, then we might as well give up trying to repent and reform as 6 billion people have thus far not succeeded to conform to his standards.

If he is punishing just a few people, but 6 billion of us suffer in some form or another, then he is an evil god.

Is God maybe punishing us for what we've done?

Did maybe a devil got inside some people who then did something that divided us and made us fight and have wars?

Now, almost everybody will find an explanation for this, but how can you explain what happened to person who allegedly died and came back to life?

Thanks for sharing your opinions. You cleared my head a bit with your answers.
I was just curious, because for me, it's not possible that there is such a big number of people who want humanity the worst, even if there is 7 billion and more of us on the planet.

In the end, it is often us who are doing this onto ourselves.

But why? Why do we? I want to know why are we doing this to ourselves? Just being greedy, selfish or simply "evil" is not an explanation.

I don't see anything to debate here. It's just the highly outdated remarks of someone who was overly fond of moralistic fallacies.

But ... I just ... did.

I have to agree with FishPreferred. If at least your post would have contained even a trace of analysis, personal argument or opinion...

I don't prefer to descend from an animal. I just was.

It's not a matter of choice. The translated text pursues a deeply rooted historical drive to portray humanity as special. But that's just all it is.

Evolution has a whole spectrum of evidence to back it up. It wasn't plucked out of the sky due to someone's alleged preference to be descended from an ape. The argument being refuted has never been an argument that evolution proponents have utilised.

Why want to come from the animal and not God?

One thing to keep in mind here is that the truth of atheism does not swing with the truth of evolution. In other words, if the entirety of evolutionary theory was somehow shown to be false, this wouldn't speak for the truth of theistic belief.

Accepting scientific research, as EmperorPalpatine has pointed out, is to simply follow evidence. While there may be some motivation (beyond the evidence) for an individual to accept or reject evolutionary theory, we should just keep in mind that these are two distinct notions.

Anyways, religious arguments are not my thing, I prefer to just watch them unroll, just as I enjoy reading two people in the comment section of Youtube arguing for 100 comments straight.

In my opinion religion is made just for people to feel safe at the time of them dying , because all religions have something special wating for you after you die , if you did good things while alive of course ,i'm not a religious person at all , even tho i attended a catholic school here in my country where i realized that living without religion or with something that "controls your movements" so to speak , is actually pretty great , is like feeling free without having to worry about saying a lie and being one step closer to hell. Personally , as said before , i'm not religious at all , but i dont go around saying *insert religion here* is bad and should be banned, if people want to believe that im all ok with it; as long as they dont do anything crazy as part of their religion (talking about killing people or hating on poeple's sexual orientations).

In my opinion religion is made just for people to feel safe at the time of them dying , because all religions have something special wating for you after you die

I must agree with you, I feel much safer when I know that someone from above is protecting me even when I'm dead.

if you did good things while alive of course