ForumsWEPR10-year old refuses to stand for The Pledge Of Allegiance

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dudeguy45
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[url=http://www.arktimes.com/articles/articleviewer.aspx?ArticleID=2f5d7a3b-c72a-446b-8d20-3823aa79c021]


What do you think?

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thisisnotanalt
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He has probably done so much more in his 7 years of life that you have in your entire life.


I bet that user's done a lot more standing than this kid . . . .

Anyway, it's great that this kid's taking a stand, but his form of protest is pretty passive. Sort of like the LGBT day of silence, where you try to convince people for equal rights for homosexuals by not communicating.
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Also sorry for the DP, bu I do agree that it's good that he's protesting, even so passively. He has a lot of courage for doing it. What I was trying to communicate a my issue with passive protest is if all of the protest is passive, because then people can ignore the protesters and keep on discriminating. There have to be speeches, spokespeople, etc. and not just not standing for the pledge, or not speaking for a day.

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Anyway, it's great that this kid's taking a stand, but his form of protest is pretty passive.

What I was trying to communicate a my issue with passive protest is if all of the protest is passive, because then people can ignore the protesters and keep on discriminating.


It would be passive for adults but I think the article was an excellent way for this child and his family to get their point across. They've opened the door for their community to 'unite'.


I support the 10 yr old,(going on 21), for recognizing inequality which makes standing and pledging to the flag a gross contradiction.
I've said this before, on one of the homosexual threads that homosexuals have been asking for the wrong, all along. They don't need GAY Rights, they need EQUAL RIGHTS.
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I support the 10 yr old,(going on 21), for recognizing inequality which makes standing and pledging to the flag a gross contradiction.
I've said this before, on one of the homosexual threads that homosexuals have been asking for the wrong, all along. They don't need GAY Rights, they need EQUAL RIGHTS


Yeah, equal rights. Instead if 2 groups and 1 group says that it's their rights, it's EQUAL RIGHTS
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What I was trying to communicate a my issue with passive protest is if all of the protest is passive, because then people can ignore the protesters and keep on discriminating. There have to be speeches, spokespeople, etc. and not just not standing for the pledge, or not speaking for a day.


But it is generating others to speak about it. The very existence of this thread is proof of that.
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i think its perfectly okay for him to be doing this. the 'i dont mind if you jumped off a bridge' part of it seams bad but he wasnt threatening her, he said he didnt mind it not 'im going to push you off a bridge' the face that his classmates call him gay might also be because he skipped a grade and is younger then they are.

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But it is generating others to speak about it. The very existence of this thread is proof of that.


Oh, I wasn't saying that his method was ineffective. It's quite effective, and it's great that he and his family are doing this. I'm hoping that as he gets older, he'll make a good orator so he can be a spokesperson, if he's still needed. The kid'll grow up to be a liberator if he keeps on with this,
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I agree, there Sanalt. I am excited to see this kid grow up.

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the face that his classmates call him gay might also be because he skipped a grade and is younger then they are.



Well, people generally are jealous of others that are better than them. I forgot where the article said where he lived, but it may be because of his geological location.
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I agree, there Sanalt. I am excited to see this kid grow up.


You can call me Alt. AS my username suggests, my main account is o9n my friend list, and you've probably seen me before~


Me too. If he chooses to follow this path and become a speaker, I think there will be equal rights for LGBTs much sooner.
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The kid has a right to stand for the pledge or not and i think if he doesnt want to then just let him not. But i do agree that is not doing anything to help get gay rights.

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You can call me Alt. AS my username suggests, my main account is o9n my friend list, and you've probably seen me before~


Nahh.... I think I will cal you Sanalt. Thanks, though!

The kid has a right to stand for the pledge or not and i think if he doesnt want to then just let him not. But i do agree that is not doing anything to help get gay rights.


His parents are activists, and he is only 10. I think he is doing a lot of his age.
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Who honestly gives a crap?? I mean, thousands, if not millions, of grade school kids don't stand up for the pledge everyday. What's the big deal?

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Okay dude. you are so late. this was already settled. Don't make such a huge deal about it again. Cause that would kinda piss me off.


I wouldn't say I am "so late". I was just on here a few days ago, the posts I quoted are not very old. I am putting my opinion on here, but I shouldn't because you posted it the day earlier? I am just pointing out the ignorance and idiocy in your post. You are allowed to spread that opinion, while I try to point out the fallacies in it. Am I supposed to be upset that it might &quotiss you off"?

And uhm, He can't do anything about it. A country will not change because of a 10 year old boy. He can try all he wants, but in MY view, he is wasting his time. Do not say that my opinions are wrong unless you want to be the one seeming hypocritical.


Nations have changed for much less, I am sure. Even if I am incorrect, then why do you think he didn't accomplish anything? It got into the news, it got people talking. Who says it can't possibly get someone else active in politics that does end up making a change? You?

I didn't say your opinions are wrong, just that you obviously didn't even read the article... or my post probably...
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Who cares if he is making a change or not?! Seriously, can we stop talking about him trying to prove a point.

I couldn't care less if he was "trying" to prove a point. Maybe it was more of a personal thing. Read what Drace has been saying. He honestly doesn't feel like he should say the pledge.

It could be due to laziness, it could be due to him making a point, it could be due to personal feelings, it could be due to him being spiteful, it could be due to him trying to be rude.

No matter why he stood or not, he should not be forced to say the pledge. If he was talking during the pledge and disrupting everyone else, then he should get in trouble. He should at least wait quietly as everyone else says pledge. However, it shouldn't be the government's place to say "If a student talks during pledge, they must be disciplined." It should be the school's stance.

I stand for the pledge. What I get out of the pledge is different than what many other people get out of the pledge. To me, I am making a pledge to better my nation. I am not pledging to blindly follow it. To me, it is a way of respecting those who fought for this country.

I remember when my high school made it a rule that anyone who was still in the hallway when the pledge of allegiance started must stop, stand, and say the pledge.

I have almost always stopped and stood for the pledge regardless of where I was at, may it be the bathroom or the hallway. As soon as this rule was made I wanted to stop standing for the pledge when I was outside the classroom because I was being forced. I almost walked past a teacher who told me to stop as soon as the pledge started (I was already stopped because it is my own decision to stop, I regret not breaking my own agenda).

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