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Axel
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I know we used to have it, and I know it was spammed, but could we have it again, but with the min. rank of knight. Then there would be little-no spam, and we can have a official CHAT!

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Freakenstein
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Well the point of squelching is to reject flaming, spamming, and trolling, followed by pics (maybe), only from your point of view. Would mods that waltz in want to do any of these? Statistics say no.

However, if a user does just want to squelch for teh lolz, then they can't do so on mods, because mods may have important info and the like, and of course have squelching immunity because they are mods XD

Cenere
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Not only for the lulz, but because they don't want to listen. Just like the people who delete comments on their profile made by mods, because they then think we forget.

Freakenstein
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Well, like I said, they aren't able to squelch mods' comments. Here's another thing. We users have only one power here, and that is to flag. We are able to flag mods' comments, is that abuse? It's not like I don't think that squelching mods' chat replies are good, just that there's really no harm in doing it.

But of course, no squelchy mods, only normies

FireflyIV
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But of course, no squelchy mods, only normies


I have to say, like most good solutions to a problem, it's a simple one. I now see no reason why this could not work provided someone could be get around to implementing a chat room.
Cenere
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We are able to flag mods' comments,

Yes you are.
is that abuse?

If you do it for fun or because you hate us, yes.

just that there's really no harm in doing it.

Say you are a newbie who likes to spam, or rather, does it without knowing you should not. You have your comments closed, so the mod will have to ban you to be able to give you the message, that otherwise would have been given and understood through the messenger.
Or a somewhat harmless thing as changing something in an about. Banning for no reason, because you don't want to listen.

I can imagine complaints afterwards if someone gets banned, for something small because they - squelched a mod, without the mod having any evidence that they were being silence and thus had no other choice.

But of course, no squelchy mods, only normies

We are not that different...
Freakenstein
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I can imagine complaints afterwards if someone gets banned, for something small because they - squelched a mod, without the mod having any evidence that they were being silence and thus had no other choice.


Then have it so people can't squelch mods and admins, and the problems are solved!

You have your comments closed, so the mod will have to ban you to be able to give you the message, that otherwise would have been given and understood through the messenger.


You would think the majority of newbies wouldn't even know how to close their comments anyway. Regardless, that is a problem yes, but still has no bearing on chatting.

We are not that different...


I think moving, locking, deleting, and temp-banning is a major difference between those who can only flag >_<
Cenere
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I think moving, locking, deleting, and temp-banning is a major difference between those who can only flag

Shhh...

I will just stop here. Basically against getting a chat due to finding it stupid and after it being shown that a usermade chat, even after being told about to the entire forum, lasts a good 2 weeks.
Freakenstein
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Well, the only reason why Klaus's chat was shoddy was because he himself had to make the accounts and didn't trust those to make differently named accounts, which I might add, didn't matter, since you could change your name anyways. That and there were bouts of flaming and trolling, which we could not stop even if we tried.

I don't know about the activity of the chat, but I will bet money that it would last longer and be more successful than the "unofficial" chats.

MrDayCee
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I don't know about the activity of the chat, but I will bet money that it would last longer and be more successful than the "unofficial" chats.


I second that! All and all, everything official is usually better...
Not only because the AG users will find it directly through AG, but also since there won't be any huge threat of spammers on this. If someone spams the chat, he/she would risk being banned from AG alltogether and that's something dedicated users wouldn't want to risk...
ulimitedpower
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Yes you are.


Wow... I love that!
I can imagine complaints afterwards if someone gets banned, for something small because they - squelched a mod, without the mod having any evidence that they were being silence and thus had no other choice.


'All AG users are equal' fails when the magical staff of power of the mods and admins is wielded. I bet there is a higher chance of getting banned when you flame or troll a mod than a normal user, or you get found way faster.

We are not that different...


I can't think of how a mod would be squelchy.
I don't know about the activity of the chat, but I will bet money that it would last longer and be more successful than the "unofficial" chats.


I bet it would be used the whole time, as it would be way easier to use than Klause's.
I second that! All and all, everything official is usually better...


True I guess.
If someone spams the chat, he/she would risk being banned from AG alltogether and that's something dedicated users wouldn't want to risk...


Unless they get really bored or suddenly went mad.
Cenere
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'All AG users are equal' fails when the magical staff of power of the mods and admins is wielded. I bet there is a higher chance of getting banned when you flame or troll a mod than a normal user, or you get found way faster.

Well, obviously found faster, but mods have a habit of being a lot more tolerant towards that, because if our ban weapons are too - active, people might believe we are doing it for fun/out of revenge/blaaah. Besides, flaming a mod will make you look stupid.
MrDayCee
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Well, obviously found faster, but mods have a habit of being a lot more tolerant towards that, because if our ban weapons are too - active, people might believe we are doing it for fun/out of revenge/blaaah.


Still, I think a mod deserves respect, simply because they (mods) earned it in the first place when they (AG) turned him into one!
You don't go over to a police officer and start yelling at him, make stupid dances around him and ultimately try to moon him... do you? Enough said there I think...

Besides, flaming a mod will make you look stupid.


You mean something similar like 'Ant poking a human in the eye saying, hey stupid! Then ends up squashed under his size 12...' =)
ulimitedpower
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Well, obviously found faster,


Duh, like flashing a spotlight in your face.

but mods have a habit of being a lot more tolerant towards that, because if our ban weapons are too - active, people might believe we are doing it for fun/out of revenge/blaaah.


Wow, that was like an entrance mat for spammers saying 'flame the mods!'. I mean, if they flame you, they probably still would get banned or seriously warned, but you make it sound like flaming a mod is not punished as severely as flaming an innocent user.

Besides, flaming a mod will make you look stupid.


There is a fine line between genius and stupidity (Normal is not in the system. They are bystanders). Flaming a mod also exists in that fine line (Stupid because it's suicide, genius because you can sort of get away with it, now that Cen told us).

You mean something similar like 'Ant poking a human in the eye saying, hey stupid! Then ends up squashed under his size 12...' =)


Or ending up in a spider's mouth (I mean jaws. So cheap) because the human finds joy doing that...
Cenere
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You don't go over to a police officer and start yelling at him, make stupid dances around him and ultimately try to moon him... do you? Enough said there I think...

Well, some of that would get you arrested for ruining the peace, and mooning would most likely get you fined for, what's it called... *shrug*

Still, I think a mod deserves respect, simply because they (mods) earned it in the first place when they (AG) turned him into one!

Which leads me to... I think I am doing modding wrong. I have yet to get a hate account created and an angry thread about my stupidity and presumed sexual preferences like all the other mods.

Wow, that was like an entrance mat for spammers saying 'flame the mods!'. I mean, if they flame you, they probably still would get banned or seriously warned, but you make it sound like flaming a mod is not punished as severely as flaming an innocent user.

Not really. I think it is pretty much the same (most users have a tolerance of -50), so unless people are actually cursing and hating and hope we die, it would most likely result in a warning either way. It all depends.

There is a fine line between genius and stupidity

Actually, it is a fine line between genius and insanity. Which usually means that true geniuses have one or more mental illnesses.

Actual ban story:
Mod get a lot of swears and ends up with getting the "GET A LIFE!!" comment. Mod bans user with a "No U!"
From this we can assume that mods don't take flaming all to hard, because someone who actually cares enough to flame obviously is the one needing a life, just like circumventing a ban multiple times and challenging mods in the posts is the ultimate show of "I have absolutely no life."

On other news, I got a job today, and apparently being a mod is a good thing to tell about, because it shows commitment and a sense of order.

Aaaand, back to topic.
I still don't like the idea of a chat. The experience I have with such things, even with responsible users, is that it will degrade to the low grade chat in a few weeks, because it is as fast as it is. While these forums give you the time to think about what you write (if you are into thinking), chats often breaks into chat speak and stupid comments because the topic changes so incredibly fast and the (assumed) discussion moves faster than the users.
These modern web 2.0 times ruins the human nature, and brings forth the worst of us. Usually it will end up being the same few people talking to the same few people, while other go "derp" in the background, and I think it would work just as well with another messenger programme because of this behaviour.
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i disagree! the chat would be alot of spam and what not??

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